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Hi Drum Corps Folks, I'm clearing out some stuff I'm not using via Ebay that may be of interest: Remo TSS 6 inch Extended Range Tom (Spock or effect?) Used: Nice condition. Rare-can be used as Spock, effect or practice pad (put some foam in it,lol) "Buy it now" of $75. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221464380032?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 XL Brand Marching Snare Carrier Vintage XL t-bar snare drum carrier (not j-hook style). This one was shortened and is best used for children, short folks or as parts. CHEAP. Nice condition for age. NO RESERVE! http://www.ebay.com/itm/221464391761?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Vintage Ludwig Timbales with Stand. Really nice set-new heads. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221460928061?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Vintage Gretsch Concert/Set Snare I'd guess a circa late 1950s/early 1960s Gretsch snare drum, all parts seem working, metal snares good, heads elderly & shot. Shell is walnut color. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221443618648?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Alesis QS6 Synth Vintage synth-nice condition, with power cord and manual. Sounds D-50ish. Great little synth. Cheap. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221464121538?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2648 ____________________________________________________ Promark (Xymox) Small Tenor practice pad (Quint arrangement) [sold] Used fairly lightly, very small and portable, plus quiet-not the greatest pad feel. Decent for hacking about in apartments, tour bus, anywhere that you need to be quiet. A little scuffed up, but not bad. Cheap. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221443521652?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Remo TSS Maximum Range Snare drum (rare) [sold] Used, in good-excellent shape. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221443618457?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2648 Vintage Slingerland TDR 15 inch snare [sOLD] Really a time warp piece, beautiful red shell, very few scratches for its age. Missing one lug, elderly (shot!) heads, decent snares (guts), small amount of corrosion to the rims. I'd estimate it's a late 1970s model maybe was someone's personal drum. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221443589689?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 EMU Orbit Rackmount Synth [sold] Dance/electronica oriented (perfect for drum corps! ) Works, I never really used it, so I can't say much more. Cheap. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221443528091?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

DCI will allow corps to get special age allowances for guest stars like Justin Bieber, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown, Katie Perry and Lindsay Lohan. They will sing, rap and dance to the music. After that, music judges will be eliminated for D-list stars like Dennis Rodman, Flavor Flav and Michael Lohan.

Chester is probably worse than Camden.

Ah... Not senile yet. I remember being pretty happy to make finals!

That's been the argument for the last 25 years. Maybe time for different theories?

That's so disrespectful to those people marching. The day iis designed as it should be, to highlight DCA corps. the Alumni show was a later development and an addition to an already packed day. My SO prefers Alumni- I prefer DCA's smaller corps like Fusion, Sabers, Sun. We have to make compromises on what/ who to see. Moreover being a vegetarian it's rare at any public event (not only drum corps) to find a decent vegetarian meal. So sitting in the stands an entire day without food is not easy. You may not care about Alumni corps, but a lot of people do.

Not really-smaller circuits & championships failed because DCI would not cooperate. No DCI means a different context. If my old corps could get a functional group up in a few months-it's not impossible. I think a lot of you are so used to large programs & extravaganzas that you forgot that a small corps can function with a couple of rented buses and a pick up.

Maybe DCI is not, and has not been serving their interests. It might be time for OC to reconsider their situation.

Maybe its time for OC to abandon DCI and seek different alternatives. DCA for weekend show & mini tours among themselves to give that element of the experience. Mandatory cost cutting- limit size & pit expenditures? DCI has mainly served a few for very many years. Another example of the worthlessness of "trickle down" theory and practice.

i think your last paragraph is what i'm suggesting. Current DCI fans will not support a corps with 28 bugles. I realize thatDCI is now like a broadway extravaganza mixed with the WVU marching band (size reference). But once DCI becomes band in name as well as fact i think that may leave a niche area for small, low cost, 'pure' drum and bugle corps. Fife and drum corps survive. Drum and baton corps survive. Will it ever be big like the 70s: i doubt it. Neither will DCI for that matter. But i think there is a market for a low cost, low overhead drum and bugle corps circuit. Not every kid has 3k in tuition fee or the travel time, commitment, etc of DCI. . , Open class doesn't draw well now because its in the shadow of WC. Im talking about something that is not associated with DCI nor attempts to market to that audience. Remember drum and bugle corps long predated DCI and i suspect may survive its passing (or further transition)

Brian, There were Class A prelims, right? No need for scores, but i seem to remember Class A pre-lims & finals like at the AIO.

I do think you are right. But i don't know if this practice and philosophy has been so helpful for the overall health of the activity. I think thats its played a large part in making it even more of a niche preferred by " band geeks."

Mike i think we are talking apples and oranges. I realize that people who go to DCI shows in its current incarnation will not be satisfied with 28 bugles. But there are people who would and do prefer bugles and don't mind a smaller brass section. They may not attend current DCI shows because they dislike the style of performance. A lot of these folks post on facebook in places that you dont go. Some of them go to DCA and love Bush, Fusion, etc. Some prefer the alumni corps. I think that once DCI becomes "Super Summer Sport Dance Band" (or something) that market will have space to grow. But it doesn't need the critical mass of DCI because of much lower costs. Apples and oranges. It can be done-my old corps got onto the streets last summer for the first time in nearly a 1/2. Dozen years, and in a sdca show in a couple of months. The kids were happy and proud and so were the vets. It was a simple little drum and bugle corps. Why do you hate groups like this so much? Some folks dont want or need synths, bflat, etc. they get out and do it: why do you have to denigrate it? I love the sound of g horns and hope this little artform survives and allows people to appreciate g horns and not much else. Theres no reason why everyone has to love the DCI musical extravaganza approach or nothing. As i stated above-i dont think DCI's audience would like what he (OP) proposes. For better or worse the hard core DCI people want to throw everything in to the pot. This approach is fine and seemingly has served competitive bands well. But i think theres a place for a small movement of drum and bugle corps. Yes drum & bugle corps fall under the umbrella band, but with an obviously different instrumentation (as do fife & drum corps). Its certainly not breaking a law to like or favor any of these approachs. Maybe your area was ahead of the game. I suspect with such a high concentration of top drum and bugle corps Jersey was a bit of an anomaly. But i think you know the general standard of bands for the 60s and 70s was show band. I still see hs bands using lyres. Buffalo hats though seem to br mostly gone. :). And to this day most HS bands do not compete. You admitted that in a thread awhile back. Most are lucky to do 1/2 time shows and the odd band festival. Really in this era of cut backs-lucky to exist at all. The change over time is that most have adopted 'corps' style. (Sorry about the typos: my contacts are giving me trouble).

Well, the intention is depth, but the problem is that we usually end up drowning in shallow waters. :)

Thanks Brian!

Very impressive looking bunch! Can't wait to see & hear this year's product!

I think that most drum and bugle corps fans are cool with about 28 bugles & 40 is real nice-52 is great. Remember the bugles are louder than their bflat cousins. All of the performance issues you mention-thats where drum and bugle corps was then. We were learning through trial and error the current performance standards. Let me tell you 98% of bands back in the 70s were high stepping show bands with drum lines that didnt tune their drums. I remember regularly seeing snare lines (and i use that term loosely) with people playing snare with traditional and matched grip in the same section. They had 'pompom' girls, few did band festivals much less compete. They almost universally sounded horrendous. Im not talking subtle problems either. Many bands had multiple hand held glocks clanging away. Listening to bands in those days was more of a matter of 'when will it end!' When i got to College band, i was horrified to find 8 bass drummers playing quarter notes on every song on unmuffled or tuned bass drums. The entire band including drumline used lyres-i kid you not. This was 1984-check out what any drum and bugle corps was doing-i am sure no corps (and there was about 250 then) was doing anything like that. Marching style for most bands of the 70s & early 80 s didnt exist until gradually bands began to adopt 'corps style' and that often was just an excuse to walk-maybe in step-maybe not. A good marcher for a band in those days was someone who stayed in step 80% of the time. Another staple of bands of that era was the lyre as it was perfectly acceptable to read the music on the field. Band drills commonly featured 'scramble' to get to the next set. You know what cleaned up that mess? Drum and Bugle corps folks-the ones with the bad horn angles. If it werent for drum and bugle corps most bands would still be wearing buffalo hats and spats. :) I think we need to keep things in some sort of historical perspective when making value laden comparisons of the past/ present without an understanding of context. I dont think that you will see a drum and bugle corps with 80 brass performing in the manner of current DCI band. I do think its possible to see a revival of smaller, lower cost & overhead drum and bugle corps. This past summe my old corps was back on the street with about 20 bugles, 4 snares and those folks were mainly HS age. So yeah, it's possible. It might not be what you like, but i dont like DCI's current band approach. So i guess we are all happy. :)

Well maybe thats a project for DCI's bands-to make "band" cool. I think the general public thinks that the show bands like in "drum line" is more admirable than being in a DCI band or drum & bugle corps. I wonder what name DCI will take? Marching Band All Stars Summer Sport Or something like that? As an afterthought, i think when DCI completes its transition with a name change a lot of the tension with drum & bugle corps traditionalists will cease. I think that crowd-me included will look for other alternatives with bugles. That may help us gain a greater degree of interest in the late DCI's bands (and it may not).

Probably true in areas like NNJ & Cali, but in Butler PA some of the Bingo ladies were grandmas or neighbors of kids marching & some came to the AIO. Personally i always liked working bingo and appreciated their support.

Yep. DCI is now band-for better or worse thats what it is.. What's the use of complaining now? That ship has sailed. I think DCI should add woodwinds, and any other prop or object the artists desire. . I would like to see DCI drop any pretense of being anything other than band. What the DCI bands do isn't my cup of tea, but I wish them well in future endeavors. I'm hopeful to see a revival of drum and bugle corps- a lot smaller, a lot less expensive, and with more accessible music. i don't see this starting to really take root until DCI has completely transitioned into band in NAME as well as deed. I think the legacy crowd can be pleased by 28 kids on g horns and thrilled to hear 40. So to those who say it won't happen I think we are talking apples and oranges.

Those kids are so cute! Good luck!

As to the OP's original question: I thought that G horns had been banned from DCI because the sound of them annoys the 'artists' running DCI, :)