ilovedc2

Its always rumors and dirty laundry with you isnt it?

What a great idea! Good luck!

Thanks

Hey man thanks for adding to my profile and thanks for the nasty PM. YOU are the class act.

Thank you....very well put!

Good Luck Crusaders at Indy and beyond.

Yes sincerely good luck with the tour. Its just really too bad that a good corps had to have its name dragged through the mud.

Because this one is so much more fun!

I see we have managed to attract some of the very people I was talking about. Come on you can do better than that. This is a basher's paradise!

Here Here!

Here it is all you Sunday afternoon frustrated corps directors......here is your chance to bash the rest of the Open Class Corps before the season is over. You have managed to trash Revo, Menphis Sound and Oregon Crusaders. Why not bash Blue Devils B for not having a back up plan for their injured bus driver too? Have fun with it. If you cant run a corps why not bash one!

oooooh another country heard from....whats your experience......my narrow mind is trying to wrap itself around all this.....

inquiring minds want to know.....what is your drumcorps marching and managerial experience?

And what is your drumcorps marching and managing experience been?

This is fun! Here is a good idea.....dont give then....I am sure your milk money wouldnt get a corps out of the parking lot! I am not blindly defending my organization because none of the corps that are in financial straits this year are my corps. Its just people like you that have never been on staff or probably never even ran a cub scout troop running off at the mouth before you actually experience the stress and problems of running a nonprofit youth organization. You give me a good giggle!

Even so, this is the second year in a row that Oregon Crusaders have used this very ploy to get down the road. A last second fundraiser is a poor way to do things. You know what, I'm just going to quote myself from the Revolution thread because it's worth repeating here: Now I haven't seen anyone present any reason why we should give the benefit of the doubt to these struggling corps except "Don't be mean!", "X is a great drum corps!!!" and "Let's see you do it!!"; not exactly compelling arguments. Here's some questions I'd like answered: -Why did Oregon Crusaders fall so short of their fundraising goals two years in a row? -What was done to try to avoid the situation they were in last year (needing money to finish tour) and why did it not work? -What cutbacks did the program make this past year to ensure it's long-term stability? -What changes are in the works to prevent this from happening for a third year in a row? -Why did Revolution plan one of the more ambition tours in Open Class without the funding to complete it? -Why did Revolution let members leave for tour without having paid tuition? -Why did it take Revo until June/July to realize they did not have enough money to complete their tour? -What changes are in the works to prevent this from happening next year? Now if anyone comes on here and tells me to shut up and give money, or that it's not my business, or that I don't know these organizations well enough to comment, or that I should try and run a nonprofit organization and see how I do, then you're being IGNORANT. To those of you that donated money: How can you give your money to these organizations without having the above questions answered? Giving in blind faith seems like a bad idea, especially to an organization like OC that has pulled this crap two years in a row. Hope you keep some money saved up to donate next year... Lastly, if we, the supporters of drum corps, don't hold these organizations accountable for their poor budgeting, then they will have no reason to change their ways!!! It baffles me how many of you fail to see this!!!!!!! Answer these questions or what will you do about it? Not help them as a volunteer, not donate your ice cream money, not drive their bus, not cook their food, not help them fund raise not what? These are all things you dont do anyway...I bet they feel really threatened by your demands. I am ignorant because I think that before you criticize or rant against them you should walk a mile in their shoes

So because someone doesn't know the exact way a drum corps is run, nothing else can contribute to his knowledge of good business sense? Foresight is key when you're running a business, and running a drum corps is very much like running a business. It is your responsibility to make sure your entity is kept afloat, even moreso than a typical business because now you have to worry about the well-being of the members. Budgeting shouldn't be ENTIRELY reliant on what you're hoping to incur, and that's just what this situation was. It's not unreasonable to include potential income in your forecasting model, but it IS unreasonable to expect that you will always meet these goals and not have a contingency plan, especially on something as flaky as a fundraiser. It was based on hope that they would have successful fundraisers to carry them through tour. In my opinion, any fundraiser that happens during the season (meaning, after camps are through) to supplement the current season in such a vital way isn't a great idea. But I digress, inevitably awaiting the return of the "you clearly don't have any idea how drum corps are actually run" comments. What would happen if they made it halfway to Indianapolis only to realize that there was NO way to feed the corps unless people donated money on short notice? What would happen if NOBODY donated the money? Would these members all be stranded with nowhere to stay and nothing to eat? While people are quick to jump on the "you should help out and contribute so things like this don't happen" bandwagon, discussing this topic is not necessarily malicious in intent. This is a serious issue, not just for the OC, but for any corps that encounters this. All I care about is that the OC is on the road and hopefully making a finals appearance, but for people to automatically try to hush others who have a not so positive opinion on the matter is unreasonable. It's not all roses and dandelions when it comes to drum corps budgeting issues, but does that mean we shouldn't be allowed to discuss it? blah blah blah

I hear that Russian Spy is the male soloist for Salem Blue. That explains all his build up of the soloists for Salem Blue and his constant promotion of the guard. Pretty shameless actually.

ho hum

Just add it to the fiasco of the website this year and the Alliance Media fiasco and you have genuine embarrassment. One of the biggest colorguard circuits in the United States and they cant even keep a decent up to date website.

I cant believe that you all are arguing about a fantasy championship!

Now that most of the corps have had their first camps.....lets compare numbers. Be real now and dont inflate to impress. :)

How many actual New York State Drum Corps are there in existance? Who are they and where are they? When's their first camp?

Saw alot of the last one this summer!