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Your guess is as good as mine... (' probably even better... haha!)

Yes... thats the Co. I was thinking of above.... " Whaley- Royce ".

It would've been pissa if it had a place on the side of the unit to stick my Marlboro's on it back then too

Thats good that others utilize it as well.

I subscribed to " Drum Corps News " in the 60's and recall such resistance, and the Letter's to the Editor and such, re. the addition of the Contra to the brass lines at the time. The " purists " at the time had pretty much the same rationale for their objections to it ie, " it was a Marching Band instrument ", and its use would no longer constitute the unit being able to future call itself a " Drum & Bugle Corps " any more in their view. By the way, one of the first east coast Corps I recall being pictured in Drum Corps News with the " new instrument " at the time were 2 marchers in the Garfield Cadets posing with the Corps new instrument purchased and depicted being carried up and over their shoulder. MikeD. ( it was in 1960- 1962 ish in DCN). I believe the 1st Drum Corps to utilize the Contra Bass ( today's Tuba ) was a Canadian Drum Corps, I believe as the 1st Mfg, of the Contra was a Canadian Co. called " Royce- Whalley" ? or some such name ( I forget the inventor Co's correct name at the moment )..

Over time, the schools filled the void when the Veterans and Church groups no longer were willing to be the chief sponsors for the units. The Vets groups/ Churches had already begun to cut back their sponsorships of Corps all across the country, and up into Canada in the early to mid 60's.. and on a large scale too. This all predates the formation of both DCI, DCA and WGI. I'm not defending DCI here, as they made some missteps along the way, as did individual Corps. But thankfully, the schools filled the void in their establishment of better relationships with the Drum Corps and Winter Guard activity or else they'd likely be even fewer Drum Corps and Winter Guard Units in existence today, imo.

Yup... nicely done too , imo

He did focus on " Drum & Bugle Corps " for most of his complaints there. That is true. But once he introduced " the Marching Arts " in his commentary there, WGI became germane to that commentary, imo

I know of a very well known brass instructor that taught several Junior/ Senior Corps for years... a Hall of Famer... that walked away entirely from the activity when he saw that a few of the Corps he taught had purchased an over the shoulder brass instrument called "the Contra Bass" in that 1960- 1963 time period. He, along with quite a few others, did not consider this instrument a " Drum & Bugle Corps " instrument... but instead a " Marching Band instrument ". Less than 6 years later, just about ALL the competing Jr. and Sr. " Drum & Bugle Corps " were utilizing this " Marching Band ", instrument, so logically, I guess some might say that Stuart Rice himself did not march in a " Drum & Bugle Corps ", as few " purists" " from the 40's-50's era considered the " Contra Bass " as a " Drum & Bugle Corps " instrument when it was 1st introduced in the early 60's in large scale to the Drum Corps activity.

Today, the " Marching Arts " are indeed mostly school and community based now, with few Churches. Veteran groups funding the units anymore like they used too before DCI was started in the early 70's. The growth of the " Marching Arts " activity the last several decades has not been DCI, nor DCA in the Marching Arts. It has been WGI ( Winter Guard International ). DCI predates WGI by approx. 6 years. DCI had far more members their first season than WGI had their 1st seaaon ( 1977-1978 ) Today WGI has 1,830 Guards listed on their website. 895 Percussion units. 205 Winds Units, for a total of 2,930 units. They no longer are limited to just rifles, flags, sabres. Now they have divisions for competition with all manner of brass instrumentations as well. Some of the WGI units are similar to some of the DCI units in that they compete locally, not regionally, nor nationally. This was true throughout the Pre DCI years, and today as well in the Drum Corps activity. WGI units compete indoors, and with smaller numbers of marchers in their performing competition units. This keeps their costs down to operate, and for individuals of limited income means to participate.. As such, its a model that has worked well for them, and probably why they have exploded in growth since their formation, expanded their offerings, and now have far more participating members than DCI and DCA combined now. They toot on brass instruments, bang away on drums, toss flags, sabres, batons, wooden rifles, etc into the air, and march to their hearts content.. just like units did in the 1920's and 1930's. Its still Youth doing healthy things to learn healthy competition, strive for group and individual perfection, learn discipline and teamwork, time management skills, and learn to build self esteem, and self confidence in the process. The " instruments " upon which they have learned these life long skills that benefit themselves as well as our society might have changed a bit over the years ( as they always changed ). But the primary benefits to the individuals as well as to our society for the participation has not changed one iota. And thats the big picture here that the " I don't like modern Drum Corps " folks oftentimes appear to be missing with their vitriol and overly harsh criticisms, imo. And the thing is... one can pick out ANY era, from the 1930's to today, and find people that did not like that decades version of Drum Corps, but instead preferred the one that they marched in. Such criticism is nothing new. Lots of folks from the 40's,50's, 60's, did not much care for Stuart Rice's 1970's to the early 1980 's personal version of" modern Drum Corps " back then either, believe me.

All kidding aside.. 'sounds like a very useful tool to me. I can see where it would provide instant feedback to an individual's off season development, allowing to chart one's own progress, and be helpful to instructors as well.

Ya... can't use " the dog ate my homework " excuse no more with this either.

..... nor knowing.... " whats a comp puder " ?

One of the top performing and competing Drum Corps.. traveling to competitions in both Canada and the US in the 1950's... was this Corps. Notice the attire are not really" costumes", but are military style " uniforms "that the guy believes all the Corps had before DCI came in in the 70's and subsequently in later years ruined what he liked about Drum Corps for himself somehow.

I also got a chuckle when he's lamenting the lack of military bearing, and military style uniforms, and right in back on his own chosen video clip, he shows a DM Finale, and the 2 Bridgemen DM's in their floppy hats prominently displayed... lol. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the Bridgemen from the 70's, 80's, but they were a FAR departure from the St. Andrews Bridgemen Drum & Bugle Corps of the 60's that the Bridgemen were once. Heck., Bobby Hoffman went out of his way in the mid 70's to design a uniform that was NOT a military style uniform, and nobody can say with a straight face that the 1970's Bridgemen famous " shuffle " was a military march maneuver... haha!..... AND the US Marine Drum & Bugle Corps has... OMG.... Women in their ranks now. Most of The " Drum & Bugle Corps Purists in the 40's-60's were dead set that Women do not belong in the Military Drum & Bugle Corps. Heck, most of them, did not believe Women should be allowed ANYWHERE in the US Military back then either. Maybe the guy that put this bitter video together liked the Holy Name Cadets Corps when they were All Male too... who knows. They're were LOTS of these so called insufferable " purists " back then too that did not like AT ALL, when the Cadets changed and went Co-ed.

I love the US Marine Drum & Bugle Corps, but the 2016 version here in this bitter's guy's clip are utilizing instrumentations that most purists before his time would not call " Drum & Bugle Corps "... at all. Maybe he wasn't around in the pre non contra bass years. But if he was was, surely he knows most " Drum & Bugle Corps " purists at the time did not consider the over the shoulder Contra Bass instrument a " Drum & Bugle Corps " instrument. It sure as heck was not utilized for outdoor " Bugle calls ",to rally the troops, nor for outdoors military marching parades, military ceremonies, nor at " Drum & Bugle Corps " competitions since the end of World War 1. . It was considered a " Marching Band " style instrument. For decades too.. And when was it first introduced, approved, and utilized ? The 1959- 1961 era. This was well before DCI was formed a decade or so later. The guy here makes some historical accuracy points, but his bitterness in the direction the genre has taken comes through loud and clear, and as such, these types of " I don't like what I'm seeing and hearing " was just as evident by " purists " in 1956, 1966, 1976, as it is when he put this video together just recently. Guess what though., in 30 years, another guy who likes what he is seeing and hearing now from these Corps, probably won't like what will be out there in 2036 or 2046 either. These people who so dislike DCI Drum Corps of today should just go find some other hobby to enjoy for themselves, and not be so stuck in the past... and allow those who do like it, or march it, or aspire to march it, or volunteer for it, or in some fashion, support it, to enjoy themselves. Life is too short to remain so bitter as this guy clearly is, imo.

Indeed. With " money" comes Power and Influence,. On the one hand you have local officials attempting to shake down in extra taxes comparatively small Non Profits in their midst ( some even Youth Groups ), while simultaneously rolling out the red carpet for outside multi national large Corporations to come and set up shop in their City and in return give them local tax breaks and even local tax subsidies to the Multi Nationals to do so. Heck, if you're a Pro Sports franchise, the local politicos might even build you a spanking brand new stadium from their local tax revenues.. haha!. So as you correctly assessed... " follow the money".

A recent DCI Champion Corps came from behind that recent season with their late season incorporation of a featured soloist that was from another DCI Drum Corps too. People marveled at the new soloist performer and judges clearly took note as well. Its all perfectly legal and within the current rules of DCI performance competition to include a late season transfer from another DCI Drum Corps into your DCI Drum Corps and to have them perform and compete at the DCI Championships competitions with your Corps that season.

Yes, since there are no DCI By Laws codified transfer rules in DCI, it is permissible for a marcher to be accepted into another DCI Corps at any time in the season... up to, and including Championships Finals Week. Even from another Drum Corps.

Sounds to me like this definition would likewise apply to a large number of political officials on various boards from coast to coast too.... ie, they primarily " serve people who can afford to pay for its services ".

All of them, I'd imagine. For example, most of the Corps still have Guard auditions to take place ( WGI season still in progress ). Many Corps are still involved in Brass/ Percussion call backs and marcher decisions still to be made in these sections as well. Even when Move In Camps begin in May, some marchers that have earned positions in line change their mind.. for a myriad of reasons, ..and most Corps ( at all levels ) need to fill in line positions on the fly sometimes even then. That said, many of the Open Class and Non Top 12 World Class Division Corps annually tend to have quite a few more Brass and Percussion section spots open at this juncture of the preseason than the Top 12 Corps generally do... especially in the Brass Section most years. I'd imagine that would tend to be the case this preseason in early March too.

Is the song going to be " Johnny One Note " ? If so, give the Cadets credit, as its triple the number of notes Johnny gave us.

True.. lol.. I'm pretty sure as well that if you caste yourself as the" superior" and involved in an " ascendancy " in your spousal relationship over your " subordinate " spouse, you would in no short order become a permanent member of the Couchmen, downstairs, and in your den. So I'm pretty sure the new poster here was not referring to spouses here, in his imprecise wording.

I suppose if one is splitting hairs on perhaps the imprecise verbiage used here by the new poster to DCP, the vets on here from DCP like Stu and HockeyDad are indeed accurate from a technical standpoint. Although, if we are to be THAT technical with the verbiage utilized, it is likewise assumed that spouses are neither " superiors", nor are they " subordinates " to one another if we are using these terms either. Before the Law, both spouses are considered equal, so any attempt to equate a spouse to spouse relationship to that of a Corps Caption Head sexual overtures as the superior to a youthful underling ( clearly a " subordinate " ) is a bit of a stretch, as they are entirely unlike spouse to spouse relationships, particularly when it comes to matters of sexual relations. So Yes, the new OP's verbiage was a bit imprecise here to perhaps invoke such a dissimilar power structure scenario. But I don't imagine most people reading this are going to conclude that he was referring to spouses here when he utilized the descriptives terms of sexual assaults by" superiors " ( ie caption heads ) over their " subordinates " ( marchers ) and what legal recourse potential victims of such might have perhaps legally available to them in Canada.