uh...neither i've hear good things about xeno but i still wouldn't get it and i will never ever touch a bach horn for the rest of my life...i absolutly despise them. If you take 4 horns of one model they all play differently. shilke's are okay getzen is up and comming but leblanc purchased a company based from france that i consider to be the best horns ever. its called coutois and if you wanna know more just pm me.