Eric Molho Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Plus, where are the facts and figures that show that DCI made alot of $$$? Last I saw on their IRS 990, 2007 was a pretty big loss overall. There are several threads on DCP regarding attendance. Two key pieces of data to share: 1. PAID attendance at finals: QUOTE (wishbonecav @ Aug 11 2009, 03:12 PM) 1995, Buffalo: 19,100 1996, Orlando: 13,771 1997, Orlando: 13,773 1998, Orlando: 12,693 1999, Madison: 19,931 2000, College Park: 18,423 2001, Buffalo: 16,406 2002, Madison: 20,230 2003, Orlando: 18,865 2004, Denver: 22,047 2005, Foxboro: 20,542 2006, Madison: 21,232 2007, Pasadena: 24,309 No one seems to have found 2008 numbers posted that I could find. 2. Press Release from DCI after Pasadena: http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=1...2a-d4e124545486 “More than 50,000 tickets were sold for 2007 Championship Week events. Including those with VIP guest credentials, as well as our corporate partners, members of the media and non-competing corps members, more than 30,000 people enjoyed the World Championship Finals live in the Rose Bowl Stadium on Aug. 11,” said Kristy Holst, ticketing manager for Drum Corps International. “In terms of total attendance, this year’s Pasadena crowd surpasses any audience we’ve had since 1990 in Buffalo, N.Y.” West coast venues (Buffalo and Pasadena) have not impacted DCI's ability to sell tickets. DCI may have had a poor financial year in 2007, but it seems unrelated to Pasadena. And I'm really curious as to how dramatically different the number of miles traveled is by corps. This year Bluecoats for example, left Canton, headed to California, and then on the usual Texas/Georgia/Allentown swing. They ALL put on thousands of miles. A well designed tour does not mean everyone has to add miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexL Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 There are several threads on DCP regarding attendance. Two key pieces of data to share:1. PAID attendance at finals: QUOTE (wishbonecav @ Aug 11 2009, 03:12 PM) 1995, Buffalo: 19,100 1996, Orlando: 13,771 1997, Orlando: 13,773 1998, Orlando: 12,693 1999, Madison: 19,931 2000, College Park: 18,423 2001, Buffalo: 16,406 2002, Madison: 20,230 2003, Orlando: 18,865 2004, Denver: 22,047 2005, Foxboro: 20,542 2006, Madison: 21,232 2007, Pasadena: 24,309 No one seems to have found 2008 numbers posted that I could find. 2. Press Release from DCI after Pasadena: http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=1...2a-d4e124545486 “More than 50,000 tickets were sold for 2007 Championship Week events. Including those with VIP guest credentials, as well as our corporate partners, members of the media and non-competing corps members, more than 30,000 people enjoyed the World Championship Finals live in the Rose Bowl Stadium on Aug. 11,” said Kristy Holst, ticketing manager for Drum Corps International. “In terms of total attendance, this year’s Pasadena crowd surpasses any audience we’ve had since 1990 in Buffalo, N.Y.” West coast venues (Buffalo and Pasadena) have not impacted DCI's ability to sell tickets. DCI may have had a poor financial year in 2007, but it seems unrelated to Pasadena. And I'm really curious as to how dramatically different the number of miles traveled is by corps. This year Bluecoats for example, left Canton, headed to California, and then on the usual Texas/Georgia/Allentown swing. They ALL put on thousands of miles. A well designed tour does not mean everyone has to add miles. Of course, the attendance thing may be affected by the fact that finals is so rarely out there. If there were big shows there every year would attendance stand up over time? As for miles, we put on a TON of miles in 07. 16,000 miles for the blue stars that summer. I dont know what they did in 08\09 but i do know it was considerably less, and a lot fewer of the 400-500 mile nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadorj Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 There are several threads on DCP regarding attendance. Two key pieces of data to share:1. PAID attendance at finals: QUOTE (wishbonecav @ Aug 11 2009, 03:12 PM) 1995, Buffalo: 19,100 1996, Orlando: 13,771 1997, Orlando: 13,773 1998, Orlando: 12,693 1999, Madison: 19,931 2000, College Park: 18,423 2001, Buffalo: 16,406 2002, Madison: 20,230 2003, Orlando: 18,865 2004, Denver: 22,047 2005, Foxboro: 20,542 2006, Madison: 21,232 2007, Pasadena: 24,309 No one seems to have found 2008 numbers posted that I could find. 2. Press Release from DCI after Pasadena: http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=1...2a-d4e124545486 “More than 50,000 tickets were sold for 2007 Championship Week events. Including those with VIP guest credentials, as well as our corporate partners, members of the media and non-competing corps members, more than 30,000 people enjoyed the World Championship Finals live in the Rose Bowl Stadium on Aug. 11,” said Kristy Holst, ticketing manager for Drum Corps International. “In terms of total attendance, this year’s Pasadena crowd surpasses any audience we’ve had since 1990 in Buffalo, N.Y.” West coast venues (Buffalo and Pasadena) have not impacted DCI's ability to sell tickets. DCI may have had a poor financial year in 2007, but it seems unrelated to Pasadena. And I'm really curious as to how dramatically different the number of miles traveled is by corps. This year Bluecoats for example, left Canton, headed to California, and then on the usual Texas/Georgia/Allentown swing. They ALL put on thousands of miles. A well designed tour does not mean everyone has to add miles. You would think with 4 of the top 5 shows being in the West DCI would give this idea more thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueorginal Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 There are several threads on DCP regarding attendance. Two key pieces of data to share:1. PAID attendance at finals: QUOTE (wishbonecav @ Aug 11 2009, 03:12 PM) 1995, Buffalo: 19,100 1996, Orlando: 13,771 1997, Orlando: 13,773 1998, Orlando: 12,693 1999, Madison: 19,931 2000, College Park: 18,423 2001, Buffalo: 16,406 2002, Madison: 20,230 2003, Orlando: 18,865 2004, Denver: 22,047 2005, Foxboro: 20,542 2006, Madison: 21,232 2007, Pasadena: 24,309 No one seems to have found 2008 numbers posted that I could find. Which brings back the question I had earlier somewhere, what if they went to a smaller venue maybe a 15,000 concert side stadium for finals....that would make demand higher which could boost ticket prices, should be less of a overhead....Maybe JUST Maybe we aren't as big of a thing as we think, just remember the huge crowds in Montreal and Madison, maybe our audience has shruck due to older baby boomers not traveling, economics, health issues etc....also I wonder about the recent age outs before it seemed you marched....aged out...then became a spectator following your corps everywhere you could....now it seems alot more are march....age out....put drum corps on your resume for a music teaching position, land a job and don't become part of the audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexL Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 before it seemed you marched....aged out...then became a spectator following your corps everywhere you could....now it seems alot more are march....age out....put drum corps on your resume for a music teaching position, land a job and don't become part of the audience. well... its still the same.. and i think the desire is still there... the shows are a lot more spread out, and also students get done with college shortly thereafter and the average student debt is at all time highs. And id bet the drum corps average is above and beyond that, due to lost summer income from marching. A lot are taking 5 years to do school too. Just a ton of obligations overall that make it hard to go see drum corps unless its in your local area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrunchyTenor Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) Well, I guess you could classify this as rumor, but a source I have known for years, and trust, told me that paid attendance at Indy was only in the 14K's for finals. I don't think location (Indy) was necessarily the problem. I think it was the stadium and the ticket prices that kept people home. Garry in Vegas Edited August 14, 2009 by CrunchyTenor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peel Paint Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Ouch! That would not be good, if true. But DCI is going to think, well the economy's bad and people are cutting discretionary spending including travel. It has become an expensive trip. But if 14,000's the baseline and it starts declining from there because of word of mouth about the stadium and because of the repeat location which people are not jazzed about, either, look out below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCCGrifle09 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Yea, I don't forsee this happening - except for maybe the one or two years that DCI is not held at Lucas Oil, when it will likely be held somewhere out west, like Denver or Stanford. I doubt it will ever be in Pasadena again, simply because of the local noise control laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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