camel lips Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 When reading music in treble clef for a concert baritone,,, Are the fingering positions the same as the bugle chart?In other words is a G open valve?b natural 2nd valve ETC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willard Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Ed, You have run across something that is very strange, and many musicians never discover! When playing a TC baritone (Treble Clef), you read the notes, and do the fingering the same as trumpet. "G" is open. When playing a BC bari (Bass Clef), you read the same as trombone, and the fingering correspond to 'bone slide positions: 1st position Open 2nd 2nd 3rd 1st 4th 1+2, or 3 5th 2+3 6th 1+3 7th 123 So, for BC bari, "F" is open. IT IS THE SAME NOTE AS TC "G". OK, so in a concert band / orchestra: Two baris are sitting side-by-side. One is reading TC, one is reading BC. When warming up, the band plays a "Concert Bb scale". The BC bari plays Bb scale (just like the 'bones). The TC bari is playing C scale (just like the trumpets). If you watch their hands, they are fingering exactly the same. There _is_ a reason for this insanity. Most bari players are originally trumpet or trombone players. So, the TC bari part is written for trumpet players to read and finger just like a trumpet. The BC part is written for 'bone players, and they just have to learn the fingerings like I wrote above. Now, at MCL, we have 6 different bari parts! 1st, 2nd, 3rd chair BC, and 1st, 2nd, 3rd chair TC. And, remember, we are playing in different keys and different fingerings (at least, in our heads). So, when Stephan and I are playing 1st, he is playing in the key of "C", and fingering a "G" open - I am playing in the key of Bb, and fingering an "F" open. But, we're actually playing the same thing! This is what drove Brent crazy about BC parts last year! In traditional drum corps, all parts (even contra) were written in TC, so there is no tranposing in drum corps! Nowadays, concessions have to be made for people coming from non-corps backgrounds! So, if you are reading TC, play it the same as a trumpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camel lips Posted February 11, 2005 Author Share Posted February 11, 2005 Thanks guys.You are the greatest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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