Hrothgar15 Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I have to say, I love Bb and all, but I can't think of a single corps whose trumpets sounded absolutely spectacular (OK, maybe Cavies 2002), or even trumpet soloists (again except Cavies '02). At 200 beats per minute at a 6 to 5, I just don't think it's possible to get an extremely good sound out of a trumpet...yet with the sopranos it was more than possible. Anyone else noticed this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feet Guru Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 (edited) I have to say, I love Bb and all, but I can't think of a single corps whose trumpets sounded absolutely spectacular (OK, maybe Cavies 2002), or even trumpet soloists (again except Cavies '02). At 200 beats per minute at a 6 to 5, I just don't think it's possible to get an extremely good sound out of a trumpet...yet with the sopranos it was more than possible. Anyone else noticed this? "Why do different instruments sound different?" You just answered your own question. But there are some very strong Bb trumpet lines out there, even whilst moving. Maybe you just prefer the G horn sound. . Soloists usually aren't moving 200bpm anywhere, much less 6 to 5. F. G. Edited May 19, 2006 by Feet Guru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geluf Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I just don't think it's possible to get an extremely good sound out of a trumpet...yet with the sopranos it was more than possible. Anyone else noticed this? It is entirely possible to get a good Bb trumpet sound out of a Bb trumpet. It is NOT possible to get a good G trumpet sound out of a Bb trumpet. And vise versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geluf Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 On a similar note: If G *bugles* had a better *trumpet* sound, orchestras wouldn't be using C's and Bb's (primarily) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake_the_hydra Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I don't really have any thing to add to this . . . I just like that Hrothgar used the term "characteristic" and then name-dropped Cavaliers 02. Good show. I've never been much of a high brass guy, so I guess I never really noticed the difference. If you're talking about "characteristic" trumpet sounds (the model would be, I would guess, professional players- CSO?), well- THEY definitely aren't playing on G bugles. So shouldn't it be easier to get a characteristic sound from a Bb horn, since that's usually what we hear in, say, the North Texas, Eastman, or Houston wind ensembles? Or is it about the approach? Is there something about the way that The Cavaliers approach trumpet playing that allows them to get the sound that Hrothgar described? I really don't have the answers . . . but I think Bb horns are fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrothgar15 Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 I guess what I'm trying to say here is...compare those soprano solos that BD interspersed throughout their shows in the 80s (86, 88, 89, etc.) to trumpet solos in shows like Blue Devils '04, Phantom '05, Cadets '03...there's just no comparison. They just don't sound like trumpets, at all, and the sopranos, well, did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom&Phitch Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I guess what I'm trying to say here is...compare those soprano solos that BD interspersed throughout their shows in the 80s (86, 88, 89, etc.) to trumpet solos in shows like Blue Devils '04, Phantom '05, Cadets '03...there's just no comparison. They just don't sound like trumpets, at all, and the sopranos, well, did. I agree with you, a lot sound thin and whiney... Cavies 03 is a good example of this... but, i do feel that some solos have captured a sound similar to when corps played on Gs: BD 02 Cadets 03 (boarderline close) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrothgar15 Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 Exactly, "thin" is exactly what I'm talking about. A characteristic trumpet sound is anything but thin. But go listen to a good sop solo like in SCV '99 or Madison '96 (OK, like all ten of them :P)...completely full, not thin at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom&Phitch Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Exactly, "thin" is exactly what I'm talking about. A characteristic trumpet sound is anything but thin. But go listen to a good sop solo like in SCV '99 or Madison '96 (OK, like all ten of them :P)...completely full, not thin at all. agreed. But i'm still going with BD 02 as a good standard for the best full Bb sound thus far, especially at the begining of House of the Rising Sun when he turns around. but you listen to things like Cavies 03, 04 and they are very thin and whiney... I also think BD 04 has a semi full sound to their solos. do you ever think a corps will go back to a line of sopranos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monoemono Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I have to say that I thought the G horns were more comfortable and compact to march with than a trumpet. This would affect the sound only on the move, though, so it probably does little to explain the difference you're hearing. I'd be curious to play on one of the horns they're using now. There are a lot of Yamaha lines out there, I know, and are apparently designed for marching. I wonder if they're not as free blowing as the bugles were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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