ChicagoFan Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 (edited) Once you move pass a certain number of rotations (6-8) it becomes extremely difficult to control the number of those rotations with any regularity. You're much better able to judge the force of the throw and an approximate heighth than how many times the equipment will rotate. In other words, you loft the sabre into the air with good velocity and rate of spin -- sometimes you'll get 12, sometimes 14, sometimes 15 rotations. Additionally, unless a toss needs to be synchronized with the tosses of other members of the ensemble, the number of revolutions is irrelevant. I doubt that Boston's soloist planned the number of revolutions in his tosses. Edited May 22, 2006 by ChicagoFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musical_Spinner Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Once you move pass a certain number of rotations (6-8) it becomes extremely difficult to control the number of those rotations with any regularity. You're much better able to judge the force of the throw and an approximate heighth than how many times the equipment will rotate. In other words, you loft the sabre into the air with good velocity and rate of spin -- sometimes you'll get 12, sometimes 14, sometimes 15 rotations. Additionally, unless a toss needs to be synchronized with the tosses of other members of the ensemble, the number of revolutions is irrelevant. I doubt that Boston's soloist planned the number of revolutions in his tosses. Too true about toss regularity. I know when I was taught to toss a six especially on a sabre at the height of the toss is count three. So we would toss say "3" out loud and if it already was coming down when you said three then watch out, or plie or run away! I wonder if that correlates to tossing higher tosses......I'll have to ask my old instructor. I perhaps doubt it was a 12 or anything above a ten...cause when you are tossing a six, the rotation slows down at the top of the toss before gravity can grab it again to come back down, tossing a 12/14/16 would require an amazing amount of wrist and arm strength (long arms would help too).....I'd have to see it to believe it...and count it. It may be the height of a 12 but prolly not the rotation.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malambo13 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Unfortunately the saber goes out of the screen both times so it's impossible to definitively "count" the rotations, and I know nothing about guard. It's ####### high as #### though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absynthknight Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ98tJ7WkEw Also, Crossmen 01, the guy threw that really high rifle toss. Edited September 1, 2006 by absynthknight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt21 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 WOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick Stack Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Too true about toss regularity. I know when I was taught to toss a six especially on a sabre at the height of the toss is count three. So we would toss say "3" out loud and if it already was coming down when you said three then watch out, or plie or run away! I wonder if that correlates to tossing higher tosses......I'll have to ask my old instructor. I perhaps doubt it was a 12 or anything above a ten...cause when you are tossing a six, the rotation slows down at the top of the toss before gravity can grab it again to come back down, tossing a 12/14/16 would require an amazing amount of wrist and arm strength (long arms would help too).....I'd have to see it to believe it...and count it. It may be the height of a 12 but prolly not the rotation.... Regarding wrist and arm strength... this isn't entirely true. If you use the correct mechanics of a toss, it has more to do with velocity than anything. If your arm and wrist moves quick enough you'd be surprised. Also, the amount of rotations does not always correlate with the height of a toss. In fact, it is much easier to toss "higher tosses" if you make the equipment spin faster and not necessarily higher. The speed at which the equipment cuts through the air will propel it higher. 12's, 14's, and yes, 16's, are not mechanicly impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiga Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ98tJ7WkEwAlso, Crossmen 01, the guy threw that really high rifle toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiga Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 AWESOME VIDEO!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcpguy1111 Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ98tJ7WkEw You can see one of the crazy BAC 99 tosses near the end of this video. I'd suggest watching the video anyway, it's pretty amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just A Plain Old Fan Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Interesting tidbit: Anyone who is familiar with the BAC 99 video knows the collective "awwww" from the audience as John (sabre soloist) dropped his first toss at the beginning of the closer. The reson for the drop is John decided to embellish the solo by adding one more revolution of his body underneath the toss. He had been doing three spins underneath the massive toss all season, but decided to add a fourth Finals night! The "awww" is kind of sad, but he makes up for it at the end. Too bad we won't know just how high that last toss went, but it was ridiculous no matter what! Yay John! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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