bawker Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 ehh...Not sure about these Scout picks / just on the surface does not look good Give them a chance first, Chicken Little. Not everyone takes the same path to success. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dciguy1987 Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 1999? The JC Superstar show was fantastic. You can barely hear the corps at times during that performance the crowd was screaming so loud.99 6th 98 6th 97 5th 96 6th You went the wrong direction: 99 was a great year, but after that: 2000 10th 2001 11th 2002 13th I'd say that was a major problem and it was all alumni staff, how long could the corps survive out of the top 12 and why did the BOD let it go on that long? 2003 8th new staff, instant turn around with a young corps 2004 8th 2005 6th, should have been 5th, corps is showing a steady climb 2006 10th, bad show no doubt, visual designers should have been fired, not loose the corps director and whole staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vferrera Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 I have been wondering if the Madison Alumni corps (certain members anyway) were behind the decision to dump Sal Salas? Absolutely not. There was not a single MSARP member on the board when the decision was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vferrera Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 2006 10th, bad show no doubt, visual designers should have been fired, not loose the corps director and whole staff 9th, actually. And from what I've been told, placement was not the major factor in the board's decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGarrett Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) Now hold on...before this well intended thread gets too far out of hand by people who only know face value information, or worse yet only know rumor or innuendo perpetuated by suggestion and commentary ... Some people here have questioned the staff choices made, and that's fine... no problem. You have that right. But no matter what cleverly disguised discontent anyone can mill out by asking "innocent" questions, it's all really MOOT, isn't it? Because the decisions being made are being made by people a whole heck of a lot closer to what is going on in Madison NOW than anyone here on DCP who is trying to compare apples and oranges or create some kind of chaotic crisis that isn't there. The facts remain these: -Their drum caption head bailed out to go to Cadets. No problem, that kind of thing has been happening in drum corps for years and years. -The Scouts BOD decided not to renew the directors (Sal Salas) contract... for reasons that are between the Scouts BOD and Sal. -Several instructors and two BOD left the corps after that announcement was made. The BOD does not handle instructional staff issues. Many were invited to stay, but chose not to as a result of loyalty to Sal or it was gonna happen anyway or whatever. And so that just has to be OK, and the corps needs to move forward. There may indeed be some members who won't come back as well, but there will be many who will, and probably a whole lot of new guys who will desire to be Scout's to fill the ranks out. Beyond that, NO ONE here (including me) knows what the true facts are surrounding these decisions from both sides. And certainly at face value, it sure does look and sound bad, but we don't have all the facts. The idiosyncrasies can be debated here on DCP until we're all blue in the face, but it will not put it all back together again the way it was three months ago. So the only thing there was to do by the Scout's was to bring it all in house... do the necessary damage control, and get some new people in to move forward, which is what they are doing. Don't pat yourself on the back thinking you have come up with some issue that the corps itself hasn't thought of, or heard about by reading or word of mouth or even by its own members and alumni. So some of you get irritated at the strong desire for there to be strong "alumni" staff in place... OK, sorry that irritates you personally, but get over it. It's just a strong desire that alumni of the corps have. Maybe if you had been a Madison Scout, you'd feel the same way...maybe not. I doubt they can make it an "ALL alumni staff" anyway, but throughout the years the corps ideology has been preserved by having corps alumni on the instructional staff. I'm sure many other corps have that, too. Some people seem so hung up on having only the names that are NAMES in the drum corps world be the staff of any corps. Well those names became "names" by getting their start somewhere, and certainly NONE of these choices Madison have made are inexperienced drum corps people who have no clue what is going on. Just cuz YOU never heard of them doesn't mean anything... I couldn't tell you who half the people are on most corps staffs, anyway. So again, the fact you don't know some of these names is also MOOT. SO... :ramd: ... Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread... Edited October 16, 2006 by GGarrett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddschultz Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Well put Geno... I would also like to point out that for those people referring to Matt or Mark as simply "division II" guys, first of all they're not, they marched and have been part of Division I. Second of all, have all of the top staff members of the division I elite been strictly members then staff members of division I corps, or have they worked with divison I and II corps before hand. Take Matt for instance, was he heavily involved for a few years with DivisionII yes, but also, he was working with a well-known division I corps during that time, previous to that time, and after that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madalumni Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Yes. Matt was on Madison's brass staff from 95 through 00. He was then Cap Sound's Director from 01-03 if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancerlady Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Geno! I like the way you said that! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Anello Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) Well put Geno...I would also like to point out that for those people referring to Matt or Mark as simply "division II" guys, first of all they're not, they marched and have been part of Division I. Second of all, have all of the top staff members of the division I elite been strictly members then staff members of division I corps, or have they worked with divison I and II corps before hand. Take Matt for instance, was he heavily involved for a few years with DivisionII yes, but also, he was working with a well-known division I corps during that time, previous to that time, and after that time. Actually, I think it is a plus that Matt has experience as the director of Cap Sound. I think the combination of directing and instructional experience is a real bonus for someone in a program coordination role. Edited October 16, 2006 by Jim Anello Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktarrantkeele Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 It's worth pointing out that Scouts have always had non-alumni on staff - including several caption heads. It's not as nepotistic as some folks think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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