N.E. Brigand Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 On the other hand, if you do what I did for the highest scores, and try and show which corps managed the least impressive first-place, second-place, third-place, etc. position in a historical context, by comparing each score to the average of Finals or Prelims/Semifinals scores in that year, these are the results: 1st - 1988 Madison Scouts 2nd - 1988 Santa Clara Vanguard 3rd - 1975 Blue Devils 4th - 2006 Bluecoats 5th - 1979 27th Lancers 6th - 1977 Blue Stars 7th - 1974 DeLaSalle Oaklands 8th - 1996 Magic of Orlando 9th - 1980 Cavaliers 10th - 1980 Garfield Cadets 11th - 1980 North Star 12th - 1983 Sky Ryders 13th - 2011 Glassmen 14th - 1996 Kiwanis Kavaliers 15th - 1995 Velvet Knights 16th - 1996 Velvet Knights 17th - 1995 Southwind Again, I don't know why some years clump as they do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 And just for reference, these are the average Finals scores for each year: 2011 92.213 (#8) 2010 92.696 (#1) 2009 92.388 (#6) 2008 92.473 (#3) 2007 92.031 (#10) 2006 91.263 2005 92.142 (#9) 2004 92.438 (#4) 2003 91.450 2002 91.633 2001 92.017 2000 91.321 1999 92.408 (#5) 1998 92.025 1997 91.775 1996 89.225 1995 90.667 1994 89.925 1993 90.708 1992 91.675 1991 91.142 1990 91.342 1989 92.617 (#2) 1988 92.383 (#7) 1987 91.125 1986 91.292 1985 91.358 1984 91.850 1983 85.150 1982 88.275 1981 87.721 1980 83.708 1979 86.004 1978 85.754 1977 85.025 1976 84.021 1975 85.421 1974 82.708 1973 80.663 1972 81.954 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Some of you have WAY too much time on your hands, but I'm grateful for that. I've saved each of these in a file for possible use some year on DCI.org. And if I use your list, I've got your screen name and will give you credit for it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scvphan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 1st - 99.15 - 2002 Cavaliers / 2005 Cadets (Tie) 2nd - 98.53 - 2004 Blue Devils 3rd - 97.70 - 1998 Blue Devils 4th - 96.80 - 2008 Carolina Crown 5th - 95.65 - 2009 Santa Clara Vanguard 6th - 95.30 - 1989 Star of Indiana 7th - 94.05 - 2007 Bluecoats 8th - 91.90 - 2010 Blue Stars 9th - 90.53 - 2004 Boston Crusaders 10th - 89.10 - 1988 Suncoast Sound 11th - 87.70 - 2005 Glassmen 12th - 86.08 - 2006 2005 Spirit I came across this interesting thread tonight - really cool stuff! Thought it'd be interesting to update the top 12 given some big scores in recent years. There were 4 changes (1st, 4th, 5th, and 12th)... 1st - 99.65 - 2014 Blue Devils 2nd - 98.53 - 2004 Blue Devils 3rd - 97.70 - 1998 Blue Devils 4th - 96.85 - 2013 Santa Clara Vanguard 5th - 95.675 - 2014 Carolina Crown 6th - 95.30 - 1989 Star of Indiana 7th - 94.05 - 2007 Bluecoats 8th - 91.90 - 2010 Blue Stars 9th - 90.53 - 2004 Boston Crusaders 10th - 89.10 - 1988 Suncoast Sound 11th - 87.70 - 2005 Glassmen 12th - 86.225 - 2014 Crossmen A few interesting (but not surprising) observations: The Blue Devils in the top 3 spots 9 of 12 of these are since 2004 (this was also the case before the update!) 2014 was a historically high scoring year with 3 top scores for placements 1, 5, and 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scvphan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 And an update to this too. Average Finals scores by year: 2015 91.469 2014 92.838 (#1) 2013 92.279 (#9) 2012 91.333 2011 92.213 (#10) 2010 92.696 (#2) 2009 92.388 (#7) 2008 92.473 (#4) 2007 92.031 2006 91.263 2005 92.142 2004 92.438 (#5) 2003 91.450 2002 91.633 2001 92.017 2000 91.321 1999 92.408 (#6) 1998 92.025 1997 91.775 1996 89.225 1995 90.667 1994 89.925 1993 90.708 1992 91.675 1991 91.142 1990 91.342 1989 92.617 (#3) 1988 92.383 (#8) 1987 91.125 1986 91.292 1985 91.358 1984 91.850 1983 85.150 1982 88.275 1981 87.721 1980 83.708 1979 86.004 1978 85.754 1977 85.025 1976 84.021 1975 85.421 1974 82.708 1973 80.663 1972 81.954 And just for reference, these are the average Finals scores for each year:2011 92.213 (#8)2010 92.696 (#1)2009 92.388 (#6)2008 92.473 (#3)2007 92.031 (#10)2006 91.2632005 92.142 (#9)2004 92.438 (#4)2003 91.4502002 91.6332001 92.0172000 91.3211999 92.408 (#5)1998 92.0251997 91.7751996 89.2251995 90.6671994 89.9251993 90.7081992 91.6751991 91.1421990 91.3421989 92.617 (#2)1988 92.383 (#7)1987 91.1251986 91.2921985 91.3581984 91.8501983 85.1501982 88.2751981 87.7211980 83.7081979 86.0041978 85.7541977 85.0251976 84.0211975 85.4211974 82.7081973 80.6631972 81.954 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theonlyfizzle Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 1st - 99.15 - 2002 Cavaliers / 2005 Cadets (Tie) 2nd - 98.53 - 2004 Blue Devils 3rd - 97.70 - 1998 Blue Devils 4th - 96.80 - 2008 Carolina Crown 5th - 95.65 - 2009 Santa Clara Vanguard 6th - 95.30 - 1989 Star of Indiana 7th - 94.05 - 2007 Bluecoats 8th - 91.90 - 2010 Blue Stars 9th - 90.53 - 2004 Boston Crusaders 10th - 89.10 - 1988 Suncoast Sound 11th - 87.70 - 2005 Glassmen 12th - 86.08 - 2006 Spirit 1st - 99.65 - 2014 Blue Devils (record) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) These are interesting stats and an interesting exercise. I might just add however that these scores from some of the years listed were under a judging format ( tic system ) that has no relationship whatsoever to todays judging system ( build up system ). it would be like comparing the average NBA or NCAA points scored in the NBA playoffs or NCAA Tournament in the early years ( before the 3 point shot & the shot clock, etc other rule changes ), with the average points scored in later NBA playoffs & NCAA Tournament( with the 3 point shot & the shot clock, etc other rule changes ). I mean, we could compare these average points scored and all,.. as it is fun.... but the average points scored really can't be compared to any degree that has much value, imo. Edited June 9, 2016 by BRASSO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scvphan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 These are interesting stats and an interesting exercise. I might just add however that these scores from some of the years listed were under a judging format ( tic system ) that has no relationship whatsoever to todays judging system ( build up system ). it would be like comparing the average NBA or NCAA points scored in the NBA playoffs or NCAA Tournament in the early years ( before the 3 point shot & the shot clock, etc other rule changes ), with the average points scored in later NBA playoffs & NCAA Tournament( with the 3 point shot & the shot clock, etc other rule changes ). I mean, we could compare these average points scored and all,.. as it is fun.... but the average points scored really can't be compared to any degree that has much value, imo. It's a great point - appreciate you making it! For us lesser versed in the scoring system (e.g., me!), was there a particular year that the scoring system changed? Or were changes incremental, such that there is no exact year one can identify as the "transition point"? Sorry for the silly question! I find the evolution of the scores quite interesting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) It's a great point - appreciate you making it! For us lesser versed in the scoring system (e.g., me!), was there a particular year that the scoring system changed? Or were changes incremental, such that there is no exact year one can identify as the "transition point"? Sorry for the silly question! I find the evolution of the scores quite interesting! Yes. DCI changed from a " Tic system " to a " Build up system " on or around the year 1978 or so.( someone else here might chime in with the exact year, as for the moment, I forget the precise year ). The early sentiment to change from a tic system to a build up system was present even before the formation of DCI. Don Angelica, an icon brass performer, arranger, judge, etc in the 1960's had pushed for a movement to change the tic system( negative tenths of points taken away for flaws in performance in evaluation scoring) to a reward based system ( rewarding good performance with addition of tenths of points in the evaluation scoring).Thanks for the question, by the way, as it shows a healthy curiosity of this great activity. Edited June 9, 2016 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornTeacher Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Just for information's sake... http://www.geocities.ws/marchingresearch/mitsym97.txt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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