btown50 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) BD is 1 & SCV is 2. Get over it. If you don't like it, stop following until next season. And this whole marching & not marching time crap is really stupid. Edited August 1, 2017 by btown50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treefidy Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Just now, ContraFart said: If those numbers are correct BDs brass doesn't play more than half the show? Doesn't seem right I'm not including solos as playing and marching. Also some parts of the small sections (ie: parts where the trumpet block is playing but not moving) are not being included in the playing and marching. Same with SCV. Parts where the small group is playing or the solos are being played are not included in the playing and marching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treefidy Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Just now, btown50 said: BD is 1 & SCV is 2. Get over it. If you don't like it, stop following until next season. And this whole marching & not marching time crap is really stupid. It's really not. It's much easier to play difficult music while not marching, thus making it more effective. Just as though it is much easier to march while not playing, again making it more effective. Not being able to see that is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDCorno Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ContraFart said: If those numbers are correct BDs brass doesn't play more than half the show? Doesn't seem right 29 minutes ago, Treefidy said: Also, for numbers purposes and later debate... BD Show Length: 11 minutes, 58 seconds BD Marching without playing: 6 minutes, 22 seconds (53.2%) BD Standing in place playing: 2 minutes, 51 seconds (23.82%) BD Marching and playing: 2 minutes, 45 seconds (22.98%) SCV Show Length: 12 minutes, 9 seconds SCV Marching without playing: 5 minutes, 7 seconds (42.11%) SCV Standing in place playing: 3 minutes, 12 seconds (26.34%) SCV Marching and playing: 3 minutes, 50 seconds (31.55%) Are you counting the times where the small ensemble is standing and playing and the rest of the horn line is simply marching as "marching and playing"? Just curious. How do you credit "Crystal" (BD trumpet feature)? Are they marching and playing, or are they standing and playing? Is there a benchmark amount of seconds within a phrase that suddenly qualifies as "marching without playing"? If it's moving, do you apply a certain percentage as a cutoff between the two? Is marching and playing punch figures given weight compared to playing full out phrases? It's not an easy or accurate measurement, and really has no relation to anything, though you did find that SCV parks and blows more than BD. Nice to dissolve that myth. Whatever, good for entertainment purposes. Edited August 1, 2017 by BDCorno because statistics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDCorno Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 37 minutes ago, Treefidy said: It's really not. It's much easier to play difficult music while not marching, thus making it more effective. Just as though it is much easier to march while not playing, again making it more effective. Not being able to see that is a problem. ...and the sooner you see it in your corps (don't get me wrong, EVERYONE is doing it) instead of playing these games, the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everyfan Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Treefidy said: Also, for numbers purposes and later debate... BD Show Length: 11 minutes, 58 seconds BD Marching without playing: 6 minutes, 22 seconds (53.2%) BD Standing in place playing: 2 minutes, 51 seconds (23.82%) BD Marching and playing: 2 minutes, 45 seconds (22.98%) SCV Show Length: 12 minutes, 9 seconds SCV Marching without playing: 5 minutes, 7 seconds (42.11%) SCV Standing in place playing: 3 minutes, 12 seconds (26.34%) SCV Marching and playing: 3 minutes, 50 seconds (31.55%) So, you're saying SCV parks and blows more than BD. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treefidy Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 43 minutes ago, BDCorno said: Are you counting the times where the small ensemble is standing and playing and the rest of the horn line is simply marching as "marching and playing"? Just curious. How do you credit "Crystal" (BD trumpet feature)? Are they marching and playing, or are they standing and playing? Is there a benchmark amount of seconds within a phrase that suddenly qualifies as "marching without playing"? If it's moving, do you apply a certain percentage as a cutoff between the two? Is marching and playing punch figures given weight compared to playing full out phrases? It's not an easy or accurate measurement, and really has no relation to anything, though you did find that SCV parks and blows more than BD. Nice to dissolve that myth. Whatever, good for entertainment purposes. 1 hour ago, Treefidy said: I'm not including solos as playing and marching. Also some parts of the small sections (ie: parts where the trumpet block is playing but not moving) are not being included in the playing and marching. Same with SCV. Parts where the small group is playing or the solos are being played are not included in the playing and marching. As I said above, parts where ANY soloist is playing and the ensemble is not, is not counted toward marching and playing. Just as though any time the small group is the only group playing for SCV is not counted. The trumpet feature, when moving is counted as playing and moving. When they stop (since the rest of the brass is marching and not playing) it's counted as marching and not playing. I ran each show 3 times in a row (bd first then scv second) and used a stop watch for each category. First run: Marching without playing Second run: Playing without Marching Third run: Playing while Marching When marching while playing, if they stopped marching but kept playing, the timer was switched off. When playing without marching, if they started moving again while still playing, the timer was switched off. If they were in small groups (like the Bubblebee portion of the BD show) if the group that was playing was not moving, the timer was switched off. Etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everyfan Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Just now, Treefidy said: As I said above, parts where ANY soloist is playing and the ensemble is not, is not counted toward marching and playing. Just as though any time the small group is the only group playing for SCV is not counted. The trumpet feature, when moving is counted as playing and moving. When they stop (since the rest of the brass is marching and not playing) it's counted as marching and not playing. I ran each show 3 times in a row (bd first then scv second) and used a stop watch for each category. First run: Marching without playing Second run: Playing without Marching Third run: Playing while Marching When marching while playing, if they stopped marching but kept playing, the timer was switched off. When playing without marching, if they started moving again while still playing, the timer was switched off. If they were in small groups (like the Bubblebee portion of the BD show) if the group that was playing was not moving, the timer was switched off. Etc. And just one more time...the caption is visual, not marching. How did you count coordinated body movement while playing? Personally, I think walking (marching) and playing is often easier than dancing or whatever the hell they are doing at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treefidy Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Everyfan said: So, you're saying SCV parks and blows more than BD. Got it. Actually from watching the shows 3 times in a row each, and calculating this, what I learned is BD tends to run their most difficult drill while not playing, and their most difficult music while not marching. SCV mixes it up. Most of their haults tend to be for effect (ie: a large slower portion of playing, or a final chord, etc) with only about a third of the halts happening during harder runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everyfan Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Treefidy said: Actually from watching the shows 3 times in a row each, and calculating this, what I learned is BD tends to run their most difficult drill while not playing, and their most difficult music while not marching. SCV mixes it up. Most of their haults tend to be for effect (ie: a large slower portion of playing, or a final chord, etc) with only about a third of the halts happening during harder runs. But, you know, you seem to want to stick to facts, not opinion. If we take your numbers as facts: BD standing in place and playing: 2 minutes 51 seconds SCV standing in place and playing: 3 minutes 12 seconds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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