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I like the all black look a lot better than the white jacket from last year. Not saying that it was bad, I just like the all black better. I think that the red sash looks good, it adds a bit more color to the corps proper. As for the guard uniforms, I think they fit the show, and I can't wait to see them in person this year to pass my final judgment on them.

I was at the Performance Academy Seminar this past week at the MENC Music Education week and the opening session was on whether or not competition is good or bad for the studnets and the program alike. The overall consensus of the debate that was sponsored for the event was that competition can be good, but only if it is not taken over the line of "Well we got the silver medal, so its a failure on the students part." or "You didn't get a perfect score, so its your fault." or "The adjudicators don't know anything and we should have won." They respect DCI for what it does and they realize that competition is not for everyone, they just want teachers to, if they compete, to not cross that crazy line, in which the students will lose interest because the FUN is gone.

I understand what you are saying. I wasn't saying that you were going to create further speculation, that was a general statement, because I know how these discussions tend to go. I also don't understand why they need offices in each other's centers, that one confuses me as well. FAME will probably be helping with DCI Education projects such as DCI's Commitment to Excellence, and SOUND Education. I believe that we already saw some show sponsorship with DCI Salutes America. We'll just have to wait and see how far this partnership goes, it could be extremely beneficial for both organizations.

I know I am posting a lot with this one but, I would rather take the time to give the evidence than participate in a game of specualtion. First off here is the entire thing from DCI.org. (Underneath) IF you take only those two points from the entire thing, it looks bad, but as a whole the statement is saying that the organizations will work together to promote music and education, not for some music conglomerate. Again, the standards are not in place to form a new competition circuit. MENC lays out guidelines on what they think the students should know so that they get the best out of their time in the music classroom and learn the most. They aren't making rules on how the bands, choirs, orchestras, etc compete, they just lay out guidelines for the teachers to provide a sound experice This past weekend was not just DCI Salutes America for MENC. MENC had almost a week of seminars for Music Educators (Present/Past/Future[such as myself]) The performance seminar focused on performing to the best of students abilities, making music education available for all, and helping special needs children perform in music. There were also large seminars on Jazz Education, General Education, Music Technology, and Music Research. In fact there was also a rally to make Music Education more accessible and able for everyone to participate (Oh yeah, the Glassmen performed at that) What this event in Washington did was bring Music Educators from all over the country together to make sure that every student gets a decent music education. I don't see any other motives behind it. I don't see them partnering with DCI to get them to play flutes, in fact they had a DCI booth on site to promote the activity, which was stationed next to the booths selling music and instruments, and supporting Music in our schools. This is how MENC's website lays out relationships with other organizations: http://www.menc.org/about/view/guidelines-...ships-with-menc Directly from MENC's website: GUIDELINES FOR MENC AFFILIATED ORGANIZATIONS Any organization that meets the following criteria may apply to the MENC National Executive Board for affiliated organization status: (1) it is a 501c3 non-profit national music organization established and functioning within a broad identifiable field of specialization within music with a concern and commitment in music education; (2) it has at least 500 members; (3) its constitution and bylaws do not conflict with the constitution and bylaws of MENC; and (4) it holds at least one meeting of its membership or its governing board each year. 1. Every effort shall be made by MENC and each affiliated organization to achieve the closest possible consultation and collaboration in order to advance the cause of music education. 2. The affiliated organization will cooperate as closely as possible in dealing with the federal government and with other organizations and agencies outside the field of music. MENC will endeavor to represent the interests of the affiliated organizations, as well as its own interests, in all such contacts. Each affiliated organization will support the mission of MENC in advocating for music education at the national, state, and local levels as well as supply some significant portion of their efforts to that end. 3. The name of each affiliated organization, together with the name of its president, shall be carried in the listings of the MENC leadership. It is expected that each affiliated organization will carry a notice of its affiliated status with MENC. A link to the MENC Web page will be provided for those providing a link to MENC. 4. The president of each affiliated organization will be invited as an observer to each session for the MENC National Assembly. 5. Each affiliated organization will remit an affiliation fee of $250.00 per July 1-June 30 Fiscal Year. http://www.menc.org/about/view/affiliated-organizations Mission Statement PREAMBLE Music allows us to celebrate and preserve our cultural heritages, and also to explore the realms of expression, imagination, and creation resulting in new knowledge. Therefore, every individual should be guaranteed the opportunity to learn music and to share in musical experiences. MENC's MISSION The mission of MENC: The National Association for Music Education is to advance music education by encouraging the study and making of music by all. http://www.menc.org/about/view/mission-statement Fund for the Advancement of Music Education (FAME) -- an MENC-administered program which seeks to improve and expand music education for all by effecting changes in the general public's perception. The program's goals are to increase public awareness of the importance of music education and to promote public support for music education at the local, state, and federal levels. FAME funded programs enable the music education community to reach out beyond the parameters of the teaching profession to the world in which Americans learn about and make music. National Standards for Music Education -- MENC developed the National Standards for Music Education and administered the overall development of the National Standards for Arts Education (1994) under a grant from the U.S. Department of Education, the National Endowment for the Humanities, and the National Endowment for the Arts. The National Standards represent the first comprehensive set of educational standards for K-12 arts instruction. MENC has since published more than 20 documents in instructional techniques for helping students accomplish the Standards, dealing with such issues as staffing, scheduling, equipment, technology, and assessment. MENC Partnerships --MENC forms partnerships with other organizations to advance the cause of music education. Projects include free online teacher's guides, early childhood music workshops and resources, special events, and more. Current and past partners include: Drum Corps International, the Jeep® brand, NAMM: International Music Products Association, Sesame Workshop, Texaco Foundation, National Schools Boards Association, ASCAP, VH1 Save the Music Foundation, BMI, Oscar Mayer, Gibson Musical Instruments, Baldwin Piano, National Association for the Education of Young Children, the Smithsonian Institution, Dole Foods, PBS, Pepsi-Cola, Hershey's, The United States Congress, The White House Commission on Remembrance, The Walt Disney Company, The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, Girl Scouts of the USA, The American Legion, and the History Channel. http://www.menc.org/about/view/menc-quick-facts From DCI.org: Two of the premier associations supporting music for young people announced today that they are joining forces. MENC: The National Association for Music Education and Drum Corps International (DCI) — Marching Music’s Major League have strategically aligned on projects and initiatives to meet the goals that they hold in common. Specifically, the organizations will collaborate on activities to sustain and enhance national and local programs that bring to young people the key benefits that come with intensive participation in music. Both organizations agree that their constituents’ programs deliver, along with purely musical knowledge and skills, qualities essential for the 21st century workforce: * Passion for excellence * Teamwork—and self-reliance and leadership within the team * A focus on precision and achievement “By elevating music education in America and by bringing to public attention the ways that music strengthens individuals and communities alike, our work together will signal a renewed emphasis on achievement in our society,” said Mark Arnold, chairman of the Board of Directors of DCI. MENC President Barbara Geer added that “This world-class joint effort to add quality to life through music learning and performance will lead education by example. Together, we will continue to promote world-class standards in music education and in student performance. Furthermore, we encourage others to renew their commitment and join with us in the ongoing task of making certain that every student gets a full, balanced education that includes music.” The agreement to cooperate by the two organizations constitutes a pledge to ramp up delivery of the message of the value of music, and to recognize the music teachers and professionals who make music possible in our communities. The associations build on a history of cooperation, including work on the U.S. Army All-American Marching Band, a Blue-ribbon Panel for Marching Music, and events for the National Anthem Project and for the annual Music Education Week in Washington. Planned new projects of the alliance include: * Using the DCI online media platform to promote, showcase, and educate * Developing partner discounts for services and events * Developing reward and recognition programs for constituents * Annual leadership meetings * Establishing offices in each association’s respective headquarters * Using the MENC FAME (Foundation for the Advancement of Music Education) to facilitate and fund projects fulfilling both organizations’ missions * Establishing a focus for a Band Forum at future Music Education Week in Washington events. http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=7...a5-00b108aa3d9d

I think when he said Marching Music Programs big and small he meant different size music programs, because there are those 250 person bands that compete nationally and those that are 40-50 people that only perform at their home football games. The standards are already in place for band in general, but there was never a set standard for marching band, it was just lumped in with all other types of band. Quote jeffsnewjetta " now....not every band out there is into the competition thing. do they have seperate standards for show band, big 10 style, etc?" I don't know if there is or not, I think they were just announcing the plan to set these standards for the future.

The way I hear this and understand they are not setting up another organization for turning Corps into a Band. MENC is the National Association for Music Education. They work in all aspects of music education and music programs all over the country. The thing they are talking about is just another set of standards to go along with what they already have. Its corps people coming together with other educators to collaborate and make a set of guidelines for music teachers that have a marching program should know, and what should be taught to those kids. Its not going to be applied to the Corps themselves. MENC, as stated in the Field Pass, has set such standards for choir, band, orchestra, etc. These standards are in place all over the country to make sure students are learning the right things in their music programs and are not getting the short end of the stick. The partnership is not to form one giant marching organization that turns corps into bands, its there to educate those students who may very well be the next generation of Corps members, and with a set of standards that Corps staff helps create, this may make Corps better as time goes on.

any idea on the penalty for Gold?

do they need new hashes?

I'm glad the marimba player can play and all, but can we please hear the brass?

New uni's look good. I don't know about the piano sounds coming from the pit were not very interesting, more like a metronome than anything else...might as well just amplify Dr. Beat

By the entrance of that next section, I would say so

The new unis definitely stand out more on the field, and they are cooler than they used to be

mic'd soloist?

Sound of the South would like to announce its program for its first full season in DCPI. (DCPI XII) We are pleased to announce that we are undertaking a full tour schedule this season, after arriving on the scene late last season. Sound of the South presents: "HIGH MASS" O Fortuna - Orff's Carmina Burana Dies Irae - Mozart's Requiem Dies Irae - Verdi's Requiem Lacrymosa - Mozart's Requiem Lacrymosa - Verdi's Requiem Hallelujah Chorus - Handel's Messiah Theme: Taken from the funeral masses of Verdi and Mozart the show follows the story from what fortune has dealt, the mourning, and finally rejoice for who they were. Dark and powerful music helps move this story along. I would like to wish everyone luck on what looks to be a great season. See you on the 50.

I agree, the uniform looks better when with the entire corps, everything comes together nicely. I really hope they add some sort of accent, because I think something needs to stand out from that sea of white/silver. Yeah, the drum major uniform looks amazing.

I made the same transition you did, reed to brass. So I know what you are going through. I have to agree with what others say, use valve oil, any other types could do more damage than good. If you are looking to march corps, then you won't need to learn how to use the fourth valve since all (except contra) are three valvers, so I wouldn't worry about it right now, but I would advise getting it looked at by a professional eventually. As for the clef part, you can get away with playing treble clef for a while, as it will help with the switch, having something familiar will be helpful, but eventually learn bass clef, as corps mainly print things in bass clef (although treble parts are available). As for practicing: long tones help, small scalar exercises help as well. Don't try to bust out extremes, because you could end up killing your chops a lot faster. If you have any questions just let me know, I played clarinet and tenor sax in high school, and I learned how to play baritone as well, so like I said I know what you are going through.

Congrats Sun Devils!

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DCP-I User ID: cnuclarinet Corps Name: Sound of the South Corps Division: Open Corps Location: Northern Virginia

You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over onto the Drum Corps field

Right. Being in scouting I realize the questions that is raises with the whole political side of things and scouting's stance on certain things. Since no oath is really taken and they don't really participate in the "typical" scouting activities, there is nothing really said about it since they are registered for the insurance policy.

While I am unsure about the Madison scouts in particular there are other corps that are registered as BSA "Venture Scouts" Jersey Surf is one of them.Shenandoah Sound in DCA is also registered as a Venture Crew, most specifically for the younger members, such as myself, because in Venturing a person is still considered a youth member until the age of 21, which fits quite nicely with DCI. Venturing is the co-ed branch of scouting. They do not partake in "typical" scouting activites but they are still scouts. Drum Corps seeing as the Madison Scouts were originally a scout unit I don't see why this is not still the case. I know that units that register themselves as scouting units fall under BSA's insurance, which is most likely why they are doing this.

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I have heard of this show. It is coming to the performing arts center at my university. I don't too much about it, but it seems to me that it would be kind of like drumline the movie, just set to stage.

I do apologize for making that point in this topic, I realize it should have been said elsewhere. It was not meant in any ill will against Capital Regiment. I wish them the best of luck in getting back on the field this year.