Your ability to twist peoples words around is amazing. Ever tried a career in politics? I understand what Honor and Loyalty is. I served my country as U.S Marine and I marched in a great Drum Corps that was big on teaching us these values as well. I don't appreciate you implying that the organazation that I was a part of during my Drum Corps experience had no honor or loyalty. All I did was ask what corps director is going to pull a kid aside after the season is over and make him or her do pushups? The idea seems silly to me no matter how mad I would be at the individual. If you disagree..thats great.........but don't bring the Corps I marched with into OUR argument by insinuating that we weren't taught these things. I rarley post on these forums mainly because of people like you that like to mix peoples words around and not only attack them personally, but their Corps that they marched with as well.