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http://www.crossmenalumni.net/caa_news/caa...7STgallery.html I'm gonna bite my tongue and say we might expect some surprises from this group....best of luck to ya bones!

pines of rome carmina burana wagner the ring of neiblung - sigfried's funeral march... variations on bolero rite of spring - how tite would that be?!?!?!?! petrouchka pagan dances - james barnes New England Tryptich 1. Be Glad, then america 2. When Jesus Wept 3. Chester Alpine Symphony Ein Heldenleben.... that would be pretty tite Don Juan Don Quixote.... any strauss tone poem Shosti 5 Candide overture or suite Hoe down from rodeo Fanfare Liturgiques - Tomasi Tchaik 4 or 5 Anything off wayne bergeron's cd "you call this a living?" I'm sure half of these have been done before. Just throwing out random ideas Pines of rome would be pretty tite. I'm not gonna lie.

You gotta wonder how Gino approaches the trumpet. I'm aware that he has produced some winnning hornlines, but I am not a fan of the 2005 cadet trumpets. It's not just 05 cadets... there are some 04 vanguard trumpet things that aren't pleasing for me either. One would suspect that since he is such a renowned trumpet player, he would have a trumpets that don't pinch and aren't harshly attacking every note. My opinion of a good trumpet section would be the sound that cavaliers have been getting in recent years. 02 had some great soloists who were playing above the staff with gorgeous sound. No pinching, no harsh playing. I haven't heard much of 06 cadets, but the same trumpet problems were apparent to me in their memorial brass recording.

Crass is the 2005 cadets hornline. The trumpets need to stop pinching.

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Even in early season, SCV looks bad###. Check out that posture and those toes!! ####!! Good for them. The new uniform doesn't look as prissy as the white pants did.

Whoa whoa whoa is everyone here mental??? That sounded pretty darn good to me. Maybe a few intonation and articulation problems in the baritones in the second clip, but those kids were playing the snot out of music that 1) isn't easy to tune and 2) isn't easy to play. Get over the sound issue. 1) It's a handicam microphone and 2) NO group sounds that great from 15 feet away. I don't care who you are. Drum Corps instructor teach their kids to play up to the box and the sound that is recieved at the top of the stadium is what matters the most. I personally think that this is much better brass playing than the tid bits that the cadets have revieled. Especially that ballad where the trumpets just aren't supporting their sound enough. They end up missing their first attacks and they're straining when they go up a few half steps. Bad tone is bad musicianship, ESPECIALLY for something as delicate as a ballad. Boring my ###. What the heck is dcp listening for?!??!? I refuse to believe that all drum corps fans are listening for obnoxious piles of crap with overblowing brass and overplayed percussion playing tunes like malaguena or rocky point.

Jesus Lord Trumpets. Someone needs to teach you how to play with good tone and in tune. This sounds like trash. Every other section sounds very good. Mellophones are coming along pretty well. Baritones sound very nice. But trumpets... holy lord. //Edit Ok. I just listend to the latest recording of the ballad. Things sound much nicer. I suspect it is because some of that obnoxious trumpet playing was cut. Kudos to the crossmen for such a great improvement.

if i didn't know any better, I would have thought that was SCV playing that cadence :P

From what I've heard of the cavaliers recently, their mellophine would be MORE than capable of matching the volume of the extra brass players added to other sections.

Good effort for a first performance. The brassline still has a quite a ways to go. Everyone can hear the problems... 1st mellophones overplaying, 1st trumpets not either knowing their parts, or not being able to physically play them, and Not enough tuba in the mix. Technical problems... a lot of tonguing is very harsh and the features have not been cleaned up yet. Tuning problems, especially upper trumpets as they play in the higher tessitura. Sound quality is less than average, and that is the the main thing that ruined this performance for me. The drumline seems to be playing pretty well.... at least they are playing more confidently than they did last year. As far as actually content of the show, I would have no idea because I couldn't tell you the difference between a snare drum and a bucket. Good effort and a decent first performance, but I would assume that they are going to need a whole lot of work on the music. Marching and playing and playing the show is an entirely different animal to tackle and presents it's own set of problems. But they will be fixed when they get there (or at least I would hope so for the sake of the crossmen)

The cavaliers demonstrated on that short clip probably one of the important aspects of being a successful musician (or musicians in the cavaliers case). That quality is sound. I am a horn guy, and the horns in that the short clip displayed a more mature and more beautiful sound approach than I have had heard from any early season hornline. My frame of reference is listening to the cadets and play their ballad and having myself being underwhelmed by the quality of sound that was coming from the group even during a section that is supposed to be absolutely beautiful. In recent years, the Cavaliers have not always been the loudest or musically exciting to your average person, but I have said since their 2002 season that they are producing some of the most beautiful sounds on the football field. Anyone is producing a good sound will have my ear any day and in the competitive arena will 95% of the time recieve a higher score than a group that plays with a less than desirable sound. Bravo to the cavaliers for displaying such high level of musicianship in early June.

This is beautiful

Why are there memorial brass reviews posted? Did anyone go? I want to hear how the Yea! groups sounded. Post a review!

One of the factors that may have contributed to their amazingness was the Indiana University's Ray Cramer worked with them during that time. If anyone does not know who Ray Cramer is, look him up. He's up in the ranks with the great collegiate/band/wind ensemble conductors... I'd say he's up there with Fred Fennell, Franke Wickes, Anthony Maiello, and H. Bob Reynolds.

I just saw the star 93 video, and I have to say that that group is one of the most mature sounding and musical drum corps I have heard. They don't sound like they're on bugles on that video. Gorgeous sound... sounds like a brass choir, not 64 brass players trying to play as loud as they can.

I just saw the star 93 video, and I have to say that that group is one of the most mature sounding and musical drum corps I have heard. They don't sound like they're on bugles on that video. Gorgeous sound... sounds like a brass choir, not 64 brass players tryign to play as loud as they can.

sounds like mature horn line. I like the sound they're getting. pretty solid stuff.

maybe YOU'RE talking about soloists, but it seems pretty clear to me that other people on this topic are talking about C trumpet sections.

the main reasons why C trumpets are used in orchestra are -easier transposition -C trumpets cut through the orchestra more with less effort The timbre of a C is generally a little brighter than their Bb counterparts. C trumpets are the standard in US symphonies, but over in Russia, the players prefer a darker, heavier sound, so they use Bb. I don't see a purpose of adding C trumpets to a drum corps section. The only thing that would happen would be a slightly different timbre change. I could see a section of 1st and 2nd trumpets playing C's, and the third's use Bb's to brigde the tonal gap between 3 trumpets and mellophones. If we break out the C's, we might as well break out D, Eb, and Piccolo Trumpets as well as cornets and just make it freakin brass band. A moving and playing brass band. That would be impressive seeing a group play any ewazen brass band piece while moving.

anyone know if the bluecoats soloist missed that high G in the beginning of their show all season? that's a risky thing having the a trumpet play a high note without having some time to set there chops a little...

I agree and i still stand by my original statement about tone. Although drum corps is an exciting chop busting activity, I still think there needs to be a more sensitive side and something that isn't as hard on the ears. Granted it may sound ok, but the cadets (or anyone... for that matter frankly) should and probably do set their standards higher than what is produced on recording. To me it sounds like some of their tone, intonation and balance issues (harsh trumpets, even in last years ballad) could be fixed by 1) getting a good supported sound and then 2) use that sound in the ensemble context to play "in tone" with one another. This is a concept that groups like the canadian brass use to play with each other... essentially by playing into each others sound, a lot of intonation and balance problems tend to fix themselves. When I listen to the cadets ballad from this year (feb. recording) and even the ballad from last summer, I don't hear a lot of "playing in tone" in the ensemble. Intonation may be close, but we all know how good "close" sounds. I think in recent years with sensitive playing that cavaliers may have the best grasp of the concept. Phantom does a really good job and bluecoats last year did a pretty good job as well.

sounds like canon in D intonation problems brass line should strive to not sound so harsh at loud volumes... it should feel like the sound is enveloping the listener, not pricking him in the eye with a laser. Phrasing is not all together In general should try to achieve a darker sound on a piece like this... more singing like

oh well crap i didn't know that. I know i didn't step on her and i didn't think a broken rib would have resulted from that. when and how did she break it?!? I just heard she was sick

no, she didn't end up with a broken rib. I was in that trumpet block and everyone stepped over her. That was the first time all year during a show or rehearsal that that had ever happened. It was quite scary because I was on the side of the block closest to her and I was also right in line with her....I thought I was going to eat it. Luckily no one was hurt. Apparently she dropped because she was "sick" or what ever. Either way, it is not one of the prettiest moments of the show... i think it would go along side the beginning of Both Sides Now where the front mellophones and flugels playing (out of tune mind you) and someone fracks pretty badly.