Officer_Jenny Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 When will Pioneer learn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer_Jenny Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 That was unnecessary. If you would like to bash corps, please do it in another thread. Find the nearest Cadets thread, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancerlady Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 (edited) I'm looking forward to seeing this show. Having such a great arranger is an added bonus! ^OO^ I can't wait to see what y'all do with this. Edited November 13, 2007 by Lancerlady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Drum Corps Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 Actually we will start learning this weekend at the Banquet/ Camp weekend. It should be lots of fun. Stop by if you are in Milwaukee. Donny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer_Jenny Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Actually we will start learning this weekend at the Banquet/ Camp weekend. It should be lots of fun. Stop by if you are in Milwaukee.Donny Sorry for not being clear, Donny. Let me reword it for you: When will Pioneer's design team learn to create a somewhat artistic and competitive show? It's kind of funny how most of your repertoire isn't Irish, too. -OJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer_Jenny Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 (edited) "The music of Gustav Von Holst, Percy Grainger, and Sir William Walton will be a part of the musical and visual journey that reflects on Celtic culture and its music." Are the English folk songs that inspired the works of Grainger and Holst really of Celtic tradition? Probably not...And it's safe to say that William Walton was influenced more by other European composers and American music than by Irish/Celtic music. Will this be portrayed as clouded, incoherent reflections? Edited November 13, 2007 by Officer_Jenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer_Jenny Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 This is almost as good as the people pushing for The Cavaliers to play Variations on a Korean Folk Song in their Samurai production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillwatcher Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 With the timely hiring of Mr. Jeff Wroblewski, hopefully we can "stop the bleeding" this year from a visual design standpoint, and move forward in the visual design area. Jeff is a student of Mr's. Brubaker and Zingali, with drum corps history in the Cavaliers, and Star of Indiana.In defense of last year...I really would like to thank the guys that were forced to finish a product and for sure they did the best they could. Bobby Patrick filled in the gaps admirably, but it was a tough job to do. Donny How do you mean forced to finish a product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Drum Corps Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 Ok I will play along. So if we stretch the definition of the word "Celtic", is it really so bad for you to be so critical of it. It keeps Roman happy, we upgrade the literature from Irish Eyes are Smilin, Garry Owen and Irish Washerwoman to college level wind band literature, and give the students a learning experience of music that is mainstream, that doesnt seem like such a bad thing to me. I personally know the organization pretty well and also know what would be allowed (and what wouldn't) when music was being presented. I believe that this is actually a major step up, and one that will encourage growth in performance and membership numbers. If there is something wrong with that, I dont understand it . It may not the MAJOR step up that it could have been, but it is a significant one. The staff had some other really great ideas that may have been ahead of where Pioneer really is in the talent and ability pool. A decicion had to be made and I dont think that it came out so badly at all. As far as being creative with this literature, I remember a corps from Revere, Massachusetts that made a steady diet of this literature and almost (and possibly should have) won DCI a few times, and were a HUGE crowd favorite. I always though they were a Celtic themed corps...Star of Indiana seemed to do very well with this same type of programming as well, as did Carolina Crown. Even if your argument turns to..."well that was years ago"...the literature will stand the test of time, believe me. If a top 6 corps decided to do it, then I am sure it would be accepted as being "state of the art". Because it is Pioneer, it isnt good literature? The visual design package is hopefully going to be another big difference in the programming. That is not a slam on the people that tried to salvage what they could from what was handed to them last year either, for the record. They really did the best they could, and I for one very much appreciated it. They had to play with a stacked deck of cards, and worked magic with what they could salvage. We know that Pioneer isnt going to win DCI this year. We just want to give the kids something that they will learn from, be (at least) slightly more competitve, and enjoy the friendships that come with being in drum corps. It is at least a step up in design, and more than one step at a time could really be disastrous for a group at this level. Hopefully we can continue the growth in programming over the next few years to see this corps...that works as hard as any other corps... get some recognition. Slow growth is still growth. Somethimes taking smaller steps can get better results. Programming a top 6 show that the kids cannot achieve probably wouldnt be a great idea for this corps. Just sayin'. Donny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcontra99 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 "The music of Gustav Von Holst, Percy Grainger, and Sir William Walton will be a part of the musical and visual journey that reflects on Celtic culture and its music."Are the English folk songs that inspired the works of Grainger and Holst really of Celtic tradition? Probably not...And it's safe to say that William Walton was influenced more by other European composers and American music than by Irish/Celtic music. Will this be portrayed as clouded, incoherent reflections? Ok.... So you obviously know what a drum corps needs to be competitive, so why don't you apply for a position with a corps. Besides that, have you heard the show, do you know your facts, or are you one of these people that never marched but still finds their way into these threads to spout off their useless banter because you have a right to your opinion. Have you studied the music that they're playing, are you a musicologist, because if you are, you would know your comments about the source material are loosely based on minimal studies of textbooks that are not historically accurate, and that Pioneer IS in fact using source material that IS ROOTED in Celtic traditions. Furthermore, your comments about the Cavaliers...well if people are calling for them to play Variations it WOULD be a good idea for several reasons. 1-if it is a samurai show, then using a piece such a Variations fits. 2-this piece has been used by the Cavaliers so it would be an homage to their past/traditions-oh no, not that!!! 3. If it fits the overall show, it should be done. Source material listings do not mean a show will be good or bad. So for all of you out there with your righteous opinions that you are entitled to should either take a back seat and wait until things unfold, OR join a staff where your opinion will be taken and used. Although, some of you should probably graduate HS or age out before you are a staff member, unless you can find a corps that will hire you, in which case, right on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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