Scerpella Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I'm sure many will scoff at this after all DCI judges are no doubt the most honest people in the world, but clearly there is an informal mechanism in DCI for deciding who gets to keep their gig and who doesnt. My sources tell me if you dont mark the biggies like they want to be scored, you dont last. I would be very interested in knowing whether anyone has ever thought to put together statistical information on each judge which in retrospect might be able to point to an individuals tendencies and biases (or lack of them) Specifically comparing how one marks a corps compared to their peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scerpella Posted July 23, 2008 Author Share Posted July 23, 2008 Along the way of refining my thinking, is there any kind of objective standard or certification (with an independent certification board) that judges get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeterbeater Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Well certainly if a corps staff doesn't agree with how it's being scored, they do challenge the judges and things get pretty heated. My corps definitely did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomPhanatic Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 (edited) I.E. the same 3 corps winning almost every title for the last.............what........20 years? Oops - Phantom and Madison had one in there. Even then - PR only tied - must have been a glitch. Have those 3 ALWAYS had the top show, with no one else that maybe should have had it? (89 and 06 come to mind..........) It is very clear that if the judges aren't generous to BD, Cavies and Cadets, they are pretty much put out to dry - specifically BD and Cavies. It seems they can get away with dissing the Cadets every now and then. I.E. 2006........notice this year Caders weren't scoring so hot - all of a sudden they are neck and neck with Cavies. Looks like same Top 3 again. Notice 06 GE Visual Judge from finals isn't judging much. Yes Joe Allison is still judging some - even after putting Cavaliers ahead of PR in Music GE. I will even admit - Cavaliers should have won Visual GE, but no way should they have won Music GE in 2006. Not a chance. I was there, and I have a Music Ed degree - so I'm qualified to evaluate that. Wow............Since 2003 - I have a hard time saying any Cavaliers music caption should have been ahead of anything PR or SCV or Crown does. Yay machine sound effects! Edited July 23, 2008 by PhantomPhanatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corps fan Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 people have tracked the judges before and in fact there was an investigation into a couple of judges last year (though i think it was because of comments on tapes, not scores), but said judges are still judging this year, and nothing has changed. as long as those in charge are in charge, and the same judges are judging year after year, nothing will be any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfish Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Where can you find out what judges judged finals and what years? Just wondering if you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiltieKemo06 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 (edited) What's that one famous quote..."if you always do what you've done but expect something different then that's the definition of crazy"! Are we crazy here? Yep. Edited July 23, 2008 by KiltieKemo06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scerpella Posted July 23, 2008 Author Share Posted July 23, 2008 (edited) Where can you find out what judges judged finals and what years? Just wondering if you can. www.fromthepressbox.com typically lists the judges (I think) But what I'm getting at is whether there has ever been any thought to making the fates of DCI judges not lay in the hands of those who they judge. Its now to a point that even the fan community will complain if someones scores are out of line with prevailing trends. Seems to me judges must be completely independent. Edited July 23, 2008 by Scerpella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Dixon Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I think they check their phone records for calls from this guy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawker Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 www.fromthepressbox.comtypically lists the judges (I think) Yeah, they do. What might be interesting (although time consuming) is to parse out the captions, label them according to the specific judge and look at a historical model for each. It would take a lot of work, but I'll bet it would really spark some discussion. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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