DCIHasBeen Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 and ... BUMP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominath Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Petition signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancingfrog Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 (edited) Yes ... the sky is falling ... and yes, I am on the BD BOD and I do know the financial implications of what is happening.So ... What would fans think if BD couldn't afford to tour? What about SCV not being able to afford to tour? What about Freelancers excellent winter drum line going bye-bye in the wink of an eye. We're there, folks ... it's happening as we speak. Yes, if this goes through BD will have to be come "more creative" with new sources of income, and I have no doubt, given the talent of our BOD and CEO that we'll make lemonade, BUT ... If the "grass roots movement" in DCP helps, this won't be an issue (yet ... I'm sure the Indians, their casino management teams, and their lawyers will try another "attack"). PLEASE ... help out by writing / faxing "Arnie". Maybe the sentance should have read: (yet ... I'm sure the powers that be, their casino management teams, and their lawyers will try another "attack"). I had many Native American ancestors and the sentance sounds racist and generalized. Edited September 6, 2008 by dancingfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekkles Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Maybe the sentance should have read: (yet ... I'm sure the powers that be, their casino management teams, and their lawyers will try another "attack").I had many Native American ancestors and the sentance sounds racist and generalized. it's the indian casinos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff DeMello Posted September 6, 2008 Author Share Posted September 6, 2008 Maybe the sentance should have read: (yet ... I'm sure the powers that be, their casino management teams, and their lawyers will try another "attack").I had many Native American ancestors and the sentance sounds racist and generalized. I'm sorry if you took it in a "racist" manner, as it was not intended. I have Native American blood in me too (albeit a very little) as well as Pacific Islander ... but ... the fact remains that the tribes in California are very organized and want to control 100% of the electronic gaming in California. That's a fact. (Note: from here on in, I will not respond to any "you're racist" remarks, as I was not raised to be racist, a bigot, or any other type of word that you put to hating other people). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancingfrog Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 (edited) it's the indian casinos. I'am sure that you didn't mean for the comment to be racist, but we have similar situations in the North East also with the casinos. Many Native American people are still living in poverty but many people think they are all getting rich. We also have a large population of people who have East Indian ancestory also and many of us use the Native American term to avoid confusion when mistaken for East Indians. Although I can trace some of my ancestory to Trible Leaders, there are still people who feel that some of my people do not belong in the main stream. I know that we still live in a racist society (example: reaction to one of our Presidential Candidates) and there are times when I may seem too senstive. That is one of the things that I tell friends about drum corps is that in my many years of participating, I did not experience or see too much racism. I still feel that drum corps people and their fans are still a great bunch of people. Edited September 6, 2008 by dancingfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIHasBeen Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 (edited) Maybe the sentance should have read: (yet ... I'm sure the powers that be, their casino management teams, and their lawyers will try another "attack").I had many Native American ancestors and the sentance sounds racist and generalized. Okay, dude, here's where I throw down. This has very little to do with "Native Americans" in general ... It's about the Tribal Gaming Interests, which involve a helluva' lot more than Native Americans. It's about a consortium of interests, who have gotten behind the legitimate Indian interests to grab a monopoly on Gambling and Gaming in California ... Period. A lot of those folks making money off of this deal are the same folks who have a big hand in Vegas and other big-ticket gambling resorts, and they want to control our State Government so they can make even more money ... And that is just plain unacceptable. A monopoly over gambling that has a safe haven in this State because it pays a big part of the cut to the Indians, at the expense of other legitimate charities, is just as unacceptable as any other monopoly, possibly worse, because there's a much greater degree of hypocrisy involved in it. In Vegas at least you know what the deal is going in, and there aren't any pretenses about it other than come and have a good time and we're going to do our best to make sure you leave all of your cash here. Frankly, I believe that a lot of the charities have been playing too nice in this business for too long because it benefits Native Americans, and because of the possibility of the accusations that it is based in race. At this point in time the whole game being played by the Tribal Gaming Interests has gotten too vicious and too all-or-nothing. Folks need to be calling this sham for what it is, and start putting an end to abuse of a system that is already out of control. It's unfortunate if that is viewed by some as a racist attitude, but I believe there is a bigger picture to this that has nothing to do with racism whatsoever. The race card is just the easy card to play in this matter. Edited September 6, 2008 by DCIHasBeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 I'll definitely sign all that stuff as soon as I get home, can't do it from work. However, I do have to believe that the end of bingo in California would not mean the end of drum corps in California. There are currently a number of top 12 corps who operate with NO income from bingo, one of them being Blue Stars, which could be used as models for other corps who may stand to lose bingo. yeah i wondered that too...not to rain on the parade, and i did sign, but there has to be more than just bingo that keeps corps alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 yeah i wondered that too...not to rain on the parade, and i did sign, but there has to be more than just bingo that keeps corps alive. There is, and it's the younger groups that seem to have a better grasp on how to execute that. Both Blue Devils and SCV (as well as Freelancers) have an established operation that been as much a part of them as the drum corps itself. Looking at BD's 2006 990 form, their Bingo operation has a net income of roughly $1.1 million. That what, 40%-45% of what their total expense was that year? Not sure where BD Entertainment falls in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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