Silver_King Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 i came home from college orientation ready to watch on demand videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizerifin Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) #3) The quality of the video and audio I can assure you is of great quality. I uploaded Beverly personally in (SD) quality in widescreen. The audio bitrate was 48K which is better than CD quality at 44.1K. The video was down-converted to 2500Kbps bit rate instead of the standard 25Mb bit rate. These files I am dealing with are better than 6GB a piece. They must be converted to something that can actually be uploaded through the network. It would take days to upload (1) video at full resolution.Tim Snyder Box 5 Productions I think this proves that you don't know what you're doing. To be clear, 44.1 KHz is the sampling rate. CD quality bitrate is over 1000 Kbps which is obviously much higher than 16 or 48. Edited July 10, 2009 by Nizerifin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS513 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I'm thinking you need to update some supporting software for your browser. Got the latest Java? Quicktime? all that good stuff?I can pull it up with Past performances in video .. paid the same as you .. and it works on Firefox and IExplorer I just checked.. all the 1995 videos are on there. Ok got it fixed. Thanks guys Now i'm happy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin80 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I think this proves that you don't know what you're doing.To be clear, 44.1 KHz is the sampling rate. CD quality bitrate is over 1000 Kbps which is obviously much higher than 16 or 48. I personally think that you are being unrealistic. I didn't put the trailing Hz, I apologize about that, but I uploaded audio to Brightcove in 48KHz which is better than CD quality. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexL Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I have watched this thread with great interest. I will offer some help to you as I have intimate knowledge of the situation involved in this as we are a provider of some of these VOD videos as well as corps content.I can tell you the following: #1) DCI IS NOT throttling bandwidth at any point. They are committed to quality. #2) DCI HAS NOT specifically decided to not record certain corps and not post them to the VOD section. #3) The quality of the video and audio I can assure you is of great quality. I uploaded Beverly personally in (SD) quality in widescreen. The audio bitrate was 48K which is better than CD quality at 44.1K. The video was down-converted to 2500Kbps bit rate instead of the standard 25Mb bit rate. These files I am dealing with are better than 6GB a piece. They must be converted to something that can actually be uploaded through the network. It would take days to upload (1) video at full resolution. #4) IT IS NOT THE CAMERAS BEING USED. I have (5) people on the road at all times, all with matching HD Cameras. We are capturing great quality video and audio. I know for a fact that the DCI crews are using Canon XL1 cameras which are very good SD cameras. #5) In terms of upload times I can not speak for everyone only myself. In the case of the Beverly, MA show I had to fly the tapes back to Louisville and encode them for upload. They were up and ready for viewing by 5pm the following day. I am currently uploading Columbia to brightcove. These things take time. Some people have the gear to encode on-site, I do not, I have to get tapes and bring them in and re-encode them for upload. It does take time. Columbia ended last night at 10 or so. I met the corps in Orlando at 6am to start the encoding process. As we only have laptops on the road encoding takes a little longer. So based on what I am seeing right now Columbia will be ready by this evening - less than 24 hours after the show. #6) Everyone has a right to have their opinion on how this situation should work. However, those people that say they can do it faster are not on the road day in and day out working very hard for DCI and these drum corps. Internet connection is very hard to come by out on the road, specifically fast upload speeds. I can honestly tell you that anyone with better ideas to please let us know what they are because, I want it to be faster, I want it to be better, I want you to be happy. #7) I have watched all the streaming videos on brightcove and I am able to get video bitrates at a much higher quality than some are reporting here. You should also realize that brightcove decides which version of the video that receive. There are 4 different versions of the Holy Name performance in Beverly 468k up to 1500k in video quality. I don't know how you are getting your video but I am able to see all 4 versions. As far as the website uptime and other issues. I can't speak towards that as all I know is the video. I hope that helps some of your concerns. Tim Snyder Box 5 Productions Thank you for your post. Definitely gives a bit of insight into the process yall are operating on. If i can ask, a lot of the complaint seems to be that things are different from last year- specifically in the delay time. How were they able to get them up so fast last year? Can you provide any insight into that? As far as the CD quality, i always heard that 192kbps was 'near cd quality' (which is what wikipedia says to as i check my data). 44kbps IS NOT cd quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizerifin Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 I personally think that you are being unrealistic. I didn't put the trailing Hz, I apologize about that, but I uploaded audio to Brightcove in 48KHz which is better than CD quality.Tim The sampling rate is 44.1 KHz on the videos you uploaded, not 48 KHz. You are confusing bitrate and sampling rate. Here is the info on the Cavies show from 6.26: General Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : Base Media Codec ID : isom File size : 54.3 MiB Duration : 13mn 17s Overall bit rate : 571 Kbps Encoded date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Tagged date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Writing application : Lavf52.16.0 Comment : FlixEngineLinux_8.0.14.0 (www.on2.com) Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : Baseline@L2.1 Format settings, CABAC : No Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 13mn 17s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 515 Kbps Width : 480 pixels Height : 268 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16/9 Resolution : 24 bits Colorimetry : 4:2:0 Scan type : Progressive Stream size : 49.0 MiB (90%) Encoded date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Tagged date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Audio ID : 2 Format : AAC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Format version : Version 4 Format profile : LC Format settings, SBR : No Codec ID : 40 Duration : 13mn 17s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 48.0 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel positions : L R Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz Resolution : 16 bits Stream size : 4.56 MiB (8%) Encoded date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Tagged date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin80 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Thank you for your post. Definitely gives a bit of insight into the process yall are operating on. If i can ask, a lot of the complaint seems to be that things are different from last year- specifically in the delay time. How were they able to get them up so fast last year? Can you provide any insight into that?As far as the CD quality, i always heard that 192kbps was 'near cd quality' (which is what wikipedia says to as i check my data). 44kbps IS NOT cd quality. 48KHz is what I uploaded. Brightcove reencodes the video and audio to fit their needs. As far as last year, I don't know how they did it. I only did one show last year and we uploaded in exactly the same fashion. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmiggles Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 DCI's office isn't very big. Be grateful of how hardworking these guys are. I do video and sound and yes they don't have to do much editing and the quality isn't perfect... BUT I also do web design, and it is NOT easy to keep such a large web organization up to date and perfectly on time! Especially when you have to work with so many demanding fans like yourself. I'm sorry but I work as a web designer too so if DCI is going to offer these kinds of services to the demanding and paying fans, they better step up. Regardless of their size in staff. If they can't handle it, hire someone who can get it done. So many excuses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin80 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) The sampling rate is 44.1 KHz on the videos you uploaded, not 48 KHz. You are confusing bitrate and sampling rate.Here is the info on the Cavies show from 6.26: General Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : Base Media Codec ID : isom File size : 54.3 MiB Duration : 13mn 17s Overall bit rate : 571 Kbps Encoded date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Tagged date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Writing application : Lavf52.16.0 Comment : FlixEngineLinux_8.0.14.0 (www.on2.com) Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : Baseline@L2.1 Format settings, CABAC : No Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 13mn 17s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 515 Kbps Width : 480 pixels Height : 268 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16/9 Resolution : 24 bits Colorimetry : 4:2:0 Scan type : Progressive Stream size : 49.0 MiB (90%) Encoded date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Tagged date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Audio ID : 2 Format : AAC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Format version : Version 4 Format profile : LC Format settings, SBR : No Codec ID : 40 Duration : 13mn 17s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 48.0 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel positions : L R Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz Resolution : 16 bits Stream size : 4.56 MiB (8%) Encoded date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 Tagged date : UTC 1970-01-01 00:00:00 No, I forgot the trailing Hz on the sampling rates I am not confusing anything. I have not encoded or uploaded any Cavaliers shows. The only shows I uploaded were Beverly, MA and Columbia, SC and will be doing Salem, VA. I am very competent at my job. Brightcove changes the files. Today I am uploading 44.1KHz audio to try and save space on the upload. Edited July 10, 2009 by Robin80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeutralNovice Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Hurry the frack up DCI and get that ish uploaded! I go to work in less than 8 hours and I need a fix! DCI posting those vids by tomorrow will be a complete waste since DATR live webcast is happening, but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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