bluecoats88 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 But shouldn't you still then take the average of each corps. To say that Pioneer is ahead of Academy or Sothwind over Blue Stars (no disrepect intended) simply because of number of appearances I think skews the spirit of the exercise a little, dontcha think? well no I don't think so, because I believe longevity should count for something. If a corps competes for 10 years and consistently finishes in the 12th to 17th spots, and another corps only competes for 3 years but finishes 9th, 8th, & 7th who was better during the decade? someone who only was there for 3 years or someone who was there the whole decade. Also, what if the one corps' three years were the 1st three of the decade? what if they were the last three? what if they were a flash in the pan and those three years were the middle three (ie. magic). I still think you should award longevity. If the three year corps was the last three years, then next decade they should place much higher than the other corps if history continues. In the other two instances, the three year corps is probably gone and it's a moot point going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortAndFast Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Also impressive that, by bluecoats88's scoring system, the Cavies accumulated more points in the '00s than anyone in the '70s, '80s or '90s. Truly an impressive run from them in this decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 well no I don't think so, because I believe longevity should count for something. If a corps competes for 10 years and consistently finishes in the 12th to 17th spots, and another corps only competes for 3 years but finishes 9th, 8th, & 7th who was better during the decade? someone who only was there for 3 years or someone who was there the whole decade. Also, what if the one corps' three years were the 1st three of the decade? what if they were the last three? what if they were a flash in the pan and those three years were the middle three (ie. magic). I still think you should award longevity. If the three year corps was the last three years, then next decade they should place much higher than the other corps if history continues. In the other two instances, the three year corps is probably gone and it's a moot point going forward. Tough call -- I think I could come up with examples that support each view. I guess the best bet is to develop some sort of blended formula (maybe some sort of a weighted average based on some minimum # of appearances). I guess it all depends on what you're trying to value and then being sure that your viewing the results with that valuation in mind. I'm not dismissing longevity, but if you asked me subjectively who had a better decade between Southwind and Blue Stars, I'd have a hard time justifying Southwind just becuase they showed up more years. No offense intended -- if we're talking about the organization, not just the on-field stuff, then I might agree -- Pioneer's longevity, for example, makes them a very successful corp in the 2000's. But if were talking about on-field rankings, I'd have a hard time justifying some of your results just because of more appearances. These kinds of things are always tough -- trying to apply cold numbers to differing criteria -- just ask the BCS !!! Thanks for the analysis -- just offering a little tweaking advice that's all -- and again, no offense intended -- all corps should be proud of their accomplishments during the decade. Rankings are always going to make someone feel worse than they should and someone else feel better than they should -- just trying to view this with some objectivity, that's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAvery Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Interesting. Adding all the scores: BD 849 SCV 849 Cavies 789 Cadets 782 PR 774 Madison 731 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecoats88 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 (edited) Interesting.Adding all the scores: BD 849 SCV 849 Cavies 789 Cadets 782 PR 774 Madison 731 Yeah I've got that too. And what's interesting is that since 1973 SCV was in first through 2008. This year was the first time anyone caught them as the top corps overall using this ranking system. Here's through the top 30. Blue Devils 849 Santa Clara Vanguard 849 Cavaliers 789 Garfield Cadets/ of Bergen County/ The Cadets 782 Phantom Regiment 774 Madison Scouts 731 Crossmen 505 Spirit of Atlanta/Georgia 435 Bluecoats 415 Boston Crusaders 388 Troopers 363 Blue Knights 348 Glassmen 317 Colts 283 27th Lancers 275 Carolina Crown 270 Freelancers 251 Blue Stars 238 Velvet Knights 199 Star of Indiana 187 St. Andrews Bridgemen 181 Sky Ryders 176 Magic of Orlando/The Magic 171 Suncoast Sound 148 Southwind 115 Imperials of St. Patricks/Pioneer 109 Kilties 108 DeLaSalle Oaklands/Oakland Crusaders 101 Mandarins 101 Dutch Boy 94 Edited January 7, 2010 by bluecoats88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) Interesting.Adding all the scores: BD 849 SCV 849 Cavies 789 Cadets 782 PR 774 Madison 731 It would be interesting if we included the 60's as well in this list, since the poster above correcty said that he would assign more weighted points in his equation" for longevity".In the 60's that decade was a very good one for Cavs, Boston, Troopers, Cadets...... and a pretty good one for Scouts, Phantom, Blue Stars,( of current DCI Corps). Under this system, Cavs would move up and pass BD, SCV overall if we included the 60's as well in the overall decades calculations. ' Just thought I'd chime in on that, since points were being discussed on this thread with a calculation for " longevity ". Edited January 10, 2010 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanjrusMcRynky Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I never realized that out of the 22-23 (Ive lost track) world class corps in existence, all but just a few have made finals in the last 10 years. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecoats88 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 It would be interesting if we included the 60's as well in this list, since the poster above correcty said that he would assign more weighted points in his equation" for longevity".In the 60's that decade was a very good one for Cavs, Boston, Troopers, Cadets...... and a pretty good one for Scouts, Phantom, Blue Stars,( of current DCI Corps). Under this system, Cavs would move up and pass BD, SCV overall if we included the 60's as well in the overall decades calculations. ' Just thought I'd chime in on that, since points were being discussed on this thread with a calculation for " longevity ". god thought, but I just did the DCI ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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