Snapettes Mom Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Individual quality of sound while play flams is really important but I have heard from some say it's okay to pop flams. Is it really? Mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geefunk1026 Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 If you're playing with a line, It is better to play a popped flam than it is to play a wide open flam. But the preference is to play a flam spaced perfectly with the rest of the line. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FakeFlam Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Popped flam = execution error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJS53 Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Define "popped flam" please. Admitting ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Milano Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Pete, we called them "flat" flams, versus flams you could "drive a truck through" (too open). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJS53 Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Thanks Paul. I was guessing that might be it but the word "popped" kind of threw me off. Just semantics I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickCogley Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 The pop comes from the feeling and sound when the sticks hit the head at the same time. There's a noticable "pop" which you can also feel. Popped flams would not be acceptable normally, unless the line is trying to pop them. I've never seen something like that. That would be double-stops, and it might be interesting actually, to try a flam passage with all double-stops instead of flams. I saw Devs do a doublestop passage with crescendi/decrescendi on the snares in 03. It was neat to watch. Judges might not get it if it's too esoteric, though. Open flams sound good on drumset, but probably not so good in a drumline. Best to get that flam interpretation consistent, and not so open or not so closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickCogley Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 If I were teaching it, I'd prefer a strict interpretation, and avoid saying things like "it's ok to pop, but better to play it correctly spaced" (paraphrasing), because I think that would confuse the line. Call a spade a spade. I'd say it's best to work it until it sounds the same, and until everyone's got the interpretation down pat. If everyone plays 'em pretty, you're set. Otherwise, it's just dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flammaster Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Rick Odello used to make us do Ghost flams. We would play the flams but fake the accent/tap and play only the grace note..but you would stick the tap/accent just not actually play it. Try it! He had some really Progressive ideas albeit sort of sadistic in nature he was a real slave driver. Some times he would have us do an 8 count and then as soon as we started doing the Roll he'd wave to us and just leave...one time he left us for 20 minutes doing a roll. poor cymbals had to hold their arms out with the cymbals. Rick would have never accepted Popped flams. He's still the seinor instructor for BD just not the A corps..(C corps). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickCogley Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Flammaster: Yeah, we did more than a few "roll strolls" when I marched! We used to get what we called "fonzie thumbs" because of the lactic acid buildup - the thumbs just won't stay put anymore. Steve "Goose" Goselin, a guy I marched with in 83 went to devs in 85 and 86 told me an interesting story though - he said Tom Float was interested in hearing the 27th exercises, and said the comment he remembers is that Tom was surprised that we'd just keep going and going, no breaks. Sometimes, I'd be wishing for a break with my forearms so tight I couldn't do anything - that can't be good for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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