Canadacorps Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Just wondering what some opinions are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandette bari2 Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I'd say Dynasty because that 's what the Bandettes use and I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camel lips Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 (edited) I think when it comes to high brass no one comes closer to doing it right than Kanstul.Just about everyone in the sop section has switched from Dynasty to Kanstul.Dynasty high brass intonation from note to note just seems very poor.The horns are very loose and all over the place. The same cannot be said for the low brass.They seem to be about neck and neck.I think it all comes down to personal preference with those guys. Kanstul doesn't discount their bugles like a lot of the major supporters of drum corps do and this is disappointing.With more and more corps switching to b flat I think this will come back to haunt Kanstul down the road.With 20,000+ marching Drum corps each and every year that is a lot of new horns that are going to have to be purchased. No one inside drum corps is going to pay $2000 bucks for a b flat trumpet from Kanstul when they can buy a brand new BAch or Getzen for around $1300. Of course I could be wrong.There are exceptions to every rule. Edited March 23, 2004 by camel lips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroopersWeb Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 No one inside drum corps is going to pay $2000 bucks for a b flat trumpet from Kanstul when they can buy a brand new BAch or Getzen for around $1300. Of course, that begs the question - why buy a trumpet for $1300 when you can buy a G soprano for half that price? Hmmm..... Back to hiding I go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camel lips Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 (edited) No one inside drum corps is going to pay $2000 bucks for a b flat trumpet from Kanstul when they can buy a brand new Bach or Getzen for around $1300. Of course, that begs the question - why buy a trumpet for $1300 when you can buy a G soprano for half that price? Hmmm..... Back to hiding I go. Man you won't get any argument out of me there. I might add this though. The quality of the Kanstul bugles is good but not as good as a professional line Kasntul.Kanstul charges $2000 bucks and up for a professional trumpet.As you can see there has to be a bunch of cut backs in production quality for the bugles to only cost $700 bucks.Kanstul bugles are more like a intermediate trumpet.For the money Kanstul still has a decent value on thier line of bugles.The resale value on a Kanstul is extreamly high where the resale value of a DEG is almost non exsistant.Just look at how many used DEG sops there are out there for $200 bucks compared to almost no used Kanstul sops selling for upwards of $400 bucks. Something I found out about recently.DEG stands for Donald E Getzen who is actually a brother of the founder of the Getzen corp.He branched out on his own in the 60's to make the DEG line.Make no mistake about it a DEg horn is not in the same class as a professional grade Getzen horn.DEG never made a horn in thier life.DEG horns are contracted out to various bidders from many different countries over the years.God only knows who build what horns what years.Some of the DEG "trumpets" were contracted out to Allied who recently sold back the Getzen company back to the family after years of running the Getzen name into the ground with less than stellar quality control. I am glad to see a Getzen at the control's once again.They are putting out some splended horns.If you get a chance to try out one of the new 700's next to a Dynasty 2000 or a Kanstul col103 I think you are going to be blown away by the performance of that horn over the Dynasty or the Kanstul and the great thing about it is you can buy a Getzen 700 for around $625.Step up to a 900S classic and you are playing on a horn that rivals most Bach's and Yamaha's. Edited March 23, 2004 by camel lips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrshowfan Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Had a Getzen (trumpet) for about 10 yrs. Still plays great. I think we paid about $500 in 93 for a 700 model. The only thing that I really dont like about it is, that the third vavle catch uses a plastic device to keep the 3rd valve slide from slipping off. It breaks, but Getzen has always sent me a replacement (only needed 3 so far) every time. Also I used a Deg in Madison, got a nice sound, but I cant compare it to Kanstul because I've never played on a Kanstul. I can say for sure that on the DEG the A flat / G sharp was always a fracky note. Tuning was hard at times, but thats what made all bugles challenging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NespyCaesar Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 (edited) I choose Kanstul throughout the line. I don't think the prices are what is biting Kanstul in the ###, it's the fact that they don't manufacture percussion instruments to pair with their horns. Look at all the companies getting all the horn business now: Dynasty (Dynasty Drums), Yamaha (Yamaha Drums), King Brass (they're UMI...so I don't know who that ties in with?).....you see the point, though. The main push behind the switch to Bb instruments is strictly economics. The corps are getting a financial advantage, so they are switching. They're getting stuff for free or or they're getting it for dirt cheap. People who say the switch is to make it easier for the kids marching is insulting everyone who ever marched on a G horn. If you're to stupid to make the transition from Bb to G, then you don't deserve a spot, anyway. Kanstul's Bb marching brass is priced higher than Dynasty, this is true. In my opinion, they make a better horn, however, and the price is worth it. Look at how many years Kanstul were superior bugles to Dynasty, but Kanstul prices were cheaper (this is still the case, mind you). By the way, Ed, the prices you are quoting for Kanstul trumpets ($2000) may be the factory price, but they can be bought for up to $500 less elsewhere. They make the best Bb trumpets for the money right now, in my opinion. I've owned 3 Kanstul Bb trumpets and they have all been excellent horns....one of which is the best Bb I've ever played. When I am in the market for a new horn, I will look Kanstul first, always. Edited March 23, 2004 by NespyCaesar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camel lips Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 By the way, Ed, the prices you are quoting for Kanstul trumpets ($2000) may be the factory price, but they can be bought for up to $500 less elsewhere. TRUE,Very true. I was trying to keep it on apples and oranges basis. :P Even discounted you can buy a Bach or Getzen at a much lower price than a Kanstul.Are Kanstul trumpets worth it?Maybe. They certainly have more models and sizes to choose from.Basically you can get a horn built by them exactly the way you want it and chances are its in stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melligene Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I think when it comes to high brass no one comes closer to doing it right than Kanstul.Just about everyone in the sop section has switched from Dynasty to Kanstul.Dynasty high brass intonation from note to note just seems very poor.The horns are very loose and all over the place.The same cannot be said for the low brass.They seem to be about neck and neck.I think it all comes down to personal preference with those guys. Kanstul doesn't discount their bugles like a lot of the major supporters of drum corps do and this is disappointing.With more and more corps switching to b flat I think this will come back to haunt Kanstul down the road.With 20,000+ marching Drum corps each and every year that is a lot of new horns that are going to have to be purchased. No one inside drum corps is going to pay $2000 bucks for a b flat trumpet from Kanstul when they can buy a brand new BAch or Getzen for around $1300. Of course I could be wrong.There are exceptions to every rule. :) Mid-Brass (i.e. melli's) seem to be excluded in this post. O.K. MELLOPHONES .................BACK ME UP ON THIS ONE!!!!!!! DO MELLI'S RULE>>>>>>ORWHAT? (yea .....just got my computer back from ICU.....can you tell?) b**bs b**bs b**bs b**bs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camel lips Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I guess its a matter of semantics.We consider the Mello part of the high brass family. Bari's and Contras are in the low brass side. I guess its just how different corps label their sections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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