The Tsar Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Ok, a quick, impromptu proposal for judging: Brass: 10 points Percussion: 10 points M&M: 10 points Guard: 10 points Ensemble Visual: 20 points Ensemble Music: 20 points Overall Effect: 20 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 ...Cavaliers win music GE and Regiment wins visual GE o.ODon't think many people would argue those shoulda been switched. It shows the arrogance in the DCI judges clique. They think if they tell us the Moon is the Sun and the Sun is the Moon, that we must accept it. No... let me take that back. They've shown they don't care what the fans or participants think. In their warped political minds everything is just as it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 average GE for sure, but yeah, this is odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBob Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Ok, a quick, impromptu proposal for judging:Brass: 10 points Percussion: 10 points M&M: 10 points Guard: 10 points Ensemble Visual: 20 points Ensemble Music: 20 points Overall Effect: 20 points Effect reduced to 20% of the total score? That's half what it is now. Whatever else may be wacky about judging, I do think that at least they have it right in one way: nearly half the score is dependent on GE. This makes sense to me, because ultimately, every show is out to create effect first and foremost. Reducing it to 1/5th the total score puts a bit too much emphasis on the technical aspects for my tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I think the problem with the current system is that if you have a different one for each part, how do you judge parts of the show that are specifically designed to marry the two captions? For example, making music effects to accentuate the drill, or vice versa. That could lead to crappy music but really cool drill or really cool music but mediocre drill, even if the total effect is amazing. That's why maybe a caption for just overall effect is better, even if it is broken up to two judges. I believe you're missing the point that "judges" either can't see or refuse to score what's already obvious to the rest of us. We don't need to change the scoring system, we just need intelligent and honest people using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylogan Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 They've shown they don't care what the fans or participants think. In their warped political minds everything is just as it should be. They shouldn't care. They're judging. It isn't American Idol. They should call it the way THEY see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 (edited) They shouldn't care. They're judging. It isn't American Idol. They should call it the way THEY see it. I agree, but if they can't see the obvious they need to be fired. Edited August 13, 2006 by Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud-is-good Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 I believe you're missing the point that "judges" either can't see or refuse to score what's already obvious to the rest of us. We don't need to change the scoring system, we just need intelligent and honest people using it. My point is simply that something that has high overall GE might not necessarily excel in one or even both of "music or visual" on its own. Hence, the thought that maybe you have two judges doing the same thing- Overall GE. As for missing what is obvious to everyone else... I'm the one who started this thread saying the final GE scores were idiotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 My point is simply that something that has high overall GE might not necessarily excel in one or even both of "music or visual" on its own. Hence, the thought that maybe you have two judges doing the same thing- Overall GE. As for missing what is obvious to everyone else... I'm the one who started this thread saying the final GE scores were idiotic. I understand. I just think the problem is the judges not getting their current and obvious assigned tasks right (Cavies=V. GE & PR = M. GE). It's the people not the system. The current set of judges would screw up any system if they can't figure that much out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR_ducky Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Ok, a quick, impromptu proposal for judging:Brass: 10 points Percussion: 10 points M&M: 10 points Guard: 10 points Ensemble Visual: 20 points Ensemble Music: 20 points Overall Effect: 20 points How about: Pressbox) Overall Effect: 40 (3 judges averaged) Pressbox) Ens. Visual: 30 Pressbox) Ens. Music: 30 Pressbox) Colorguard: 30 These three then averaged for a max 30 point score Field) Brass: 30 Field) Visual: 30 Field) Percussion:30 These three then averaged for a max 30 point score This system allows for GE to still be the main focus (which in my opinion it should be) Also forces the individual sections of a corps to live or die together By averaging the ensemble scores into a total and averaging the field scores into a total the corps which scores highest across all captions and not just runs away in one should come out on top. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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