Dave

Here's hoping.

Fixed.

What if it means they could turn that $20,000 into twice that or more? Paying the bulk price for a line and turning around to sell them for retail price is a good profit for the corps, I don't see what would be wrong with that.

What is he supposed to be playing on?

Moving to Brass forum.

Where are you located?

From the time I started marching in high school until I moved on to corps, putting together a set book has been part of the process of learning my show. When I was in Frontier and they were doing the coordinate sheets deal, I'd still put one together because 1) it was sturdier and harder to lose than one piece of paper and 2) writing it down is just part of putting it to memory, and gives space to write notes.

This would probably require more than a few months to set up, but just for the sake of discussion, could it be turned into some kind of season preview exhibition show? Maybe at least to offset the costs involved or even raise some cash for those involved. Not pretending to know all the details involved, just throwing it out there.

Hopefully that would be the end product of the plans he mentioned, and all that would go a long way towards making inroads against the cynicism of a lot of people. What won't make inroads against it is pretending that there's no reason for it--but Bob hasn't done that. Trying to outsnark other people here isn't going to get them on your side.

Thank you, thank you. <bows> I was reupping on my own union card the other day and that scene came to mind. Jake: My name is Jacob Stein. I'm from the American Federation of Music. I've been sent to see if you gentlemen are carrying your permits. Tucker McElroy: Our what? Jake: Your union cards. May I see your cards please? Tucker McElroy: Well, suppose we ain't got no union cards and go in there and start playin' anyway? Whatcha gonna do about that? You gonna stop us, Stein? Ha. You're gonna look pretty funny tryin' to eat corn on the cob with no ####in' teeth!

They should have asked the person looking for them how they'd be able to eat corn on the cob with no ###### teeth.

You're still ignoring the bigger question that many brought up when this came out: why publish this, when they'd just published another article saying "we're trying to deal with the problem?" You're trying to dismiss any criticism of this as whacked-out conspiracy theories, I'm saying that there are legitimate questions to be raised that DCI hasn't addressed. I hope opening the roof makes a difference in the sound, and that they're able to make LOS a workable place to hold finals. Last year at finals week I was astonished at how many people, including quite a few people that are neutral or supportive of DCI, were openly hostile to LOS. I haven't been there and hold no opinion about the acoustics, but clearly that says to me that there's a legitimate problem; I like others applaud DCI for at least trying something different to see what happens, but I also don't blame people for being skeptical.

That's exactly what I get from it. Why publish it otherwise? Especially given DCI's previous statement that they'd be doing everything possible to deal with the sound problems, what other point would there be to releasing this article? That's why it was received so poorly.

People are getting royalties--the people that are legally entitled to them.

Who said anything about conspiracy? But given that DCI had just released an article saying that they were going to do what they could to improve the acoustic situation, why did they did turn around and release an article with judges saying that everything was just fine and you shouldn't believe your own ears?

...what?

It's better than nothing. At least they'll be trying something. I think "but it'll be hot!" is a pretty lame reason not to open the roof--it's drum corps. It's summertime. Being hot at a drum corps show is not a new experience, so my pity level on that is pretty low after events like Jackson, WI, and 2003 II/III finals in Orlando.

Already here in the Historical forum.

This is what I'm talking about. There is no way you can look at the mission of the D&B and say that it's "not for entertainment purposes to begin with." That's exactly what it's for. You're making "entertainment" into something that can't be paired with another purpose, and/or trying to say that entertainment can't have deeper significance. Just looking at DCI disproves that. You're contradicting yourself by trying to say you agree with me and then saying the last sentence there.

That's a distinction that doesn't exist in the law. I never said corps shouldn't charge. I never even said that I am against the current cost issues, and I pointed out that there are a myriad of economic reasons why expenses are where they are. I never said it should be free. But the question of how the "if you can't afford it, I guess you're screwed" attitude came into organizations that were founded and existed for years as service groups, that were there to reach out to youth and provide them a place to grow up and learn about life, is a legitimate one, as well as the question of whether or not this is good for the activity. If you think so, that's fine, but not everyone's going to agree with that. Again, you're putting words in my mouth; I never said that DCI has to go back to some fantasy world of a free-for-all that never existed. I'm talking about the purpose of drum corps.

Again: your definition doesn't make any sense. The D&B exists because they travel the world and entertain people in the name of the US Marines. You've created some world where entertainment and tradition are mutually exclusive notions, and they certainly aren't; the Marines are a great example of this. Entertainment doesn't mean "shallow" or "no other purpose," it simply means "people come to watch for enjoyment." Do people come to watch the Marines for enjoyment? Absolutely.

That doesn't make sense. The Marines exist as an outreach to the public and as a ceremonial unit for the Corps. If they ceased to have the ability to perform what I would argue is the most significant part of their function, reaching out to an interested public, they would probably be dissolved and something much less expensive would be substituted. Have you ever seen the D&B perform? It's very much an interactive experience and I've never seen a crowd fail to be engaged in the spectacle before them. You're trying to create some alternate way to judge them where DCI gets a pass but the Marines don't, but on the simple face of "do they draw a crowd that comes to enjoy the show," the Marines absolutely do as much (or more) than DCI. This isn't a competition between the two and they absolutely do things differently, but it's silly to say that the Marines "aren't about entertainment."

Really? The Marines aren't about entertainment? I wish I'd known that when I went to the State Fair to see them, I would have let the crowd of people around me that were enjoying themselves thoroughly know that the group in front of them was not about entertainment. </sarcasm> The Marine D&BC is ABSOLUTELY about entertainment, they just do it in a particular way that's related to their idiom. DCI does the same thing in its own way. You can be both traditional and entertaining, I will never understand where this notion that the two are mutually exclusive came from.

It's a typical Texas football stadium. Count me as another that's glad to see a show moving outside from indoors, rather than the other way around.

Again: you're presuming to know the motivations and minds of other people, something you can't possibly know, and then proceeding to insult anyone who disagrees you by tarring them with such terms. The basis of your criticism is a fallacy.