drumkid

I would comment but it would be akin to discussing the sicilian dragon with a bunch of checkers players. I will leave you with this: Oboe. EDIT: btw, Nick... agreed.

I didn't know that about windmill cookies

sure... as soon as Markus Rhoten straps up. Silly me, I keep forgetting drum corps is not supposed to be about music or being a musician. btw. thanks for letting us have 'tymps' [sic] Look, I can see the humor/irony of your backhanded homage and appreciate the history of the activity; I just don't get how some of you held your horns/sticks back in '68 without an opposable thumb.

1st. '93 Star of Indiana 2nd. '04 Santa Clara Vanguard 3rd. '92 Velvet Knights 4th. '97 Madison Scouts 5th. '07 Bluecoats 6th. '88 Sky Ryders 7th. '91 Star of Indiana 8th. '95 Madison Scouts 9th. '07 Blue Knights 10th. '86 Sky Ryders 11th. '99 Madison Scouts 12th. '01 Madison Scouts

meh... In case you folks haven't figured it out already (which I hope many of you just have) this guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's a Scout honk who can't see beyond a soprano or snare line who admittedly hasn't been around "drumlines" in 20 years. I'm rootin for ya old man, thanks for finally buying the 93 dvd to see what everyone was talking about... there may be hope yet. edit: I've meet folks from Santa Clara to Suncoast who know the "1812/4th place" bit.

I believe the word you are looking for is 'ignorance'.

1986 Blue Devils. it was overkill. you could not drum any better. you could not get a hornline to sound as professional. you could not pick cooler music. buddy rich? chick corea? this was tough b/c cadets 85 was unreal. unREAL. 96 devs was way happenin. tip o' th' cap to 04 cavies. but 86 BD had it. edit: I suspect this was one of the best collections of indivdual talent DCI has ever seen.

uh oh, here it comes... thankfully they were rarely in the top-2. DANG! ok, ok... all in fun. got my giggles out. Now seriously... Look: I am not saying that Scouts are not a great, GREAT, corps with a massive legacy and tons of talent and some of the best writing ever seen. I am saying this: look at this p!$$ poor execution in your avatar alone. edit: Thank you to those whom have actually marched a corps and can sometimes, when merited, vote for another.

Three negative words: (can)NOT / deny / (do)NOT ; however, only two negate meaning. Let's just remove two "NOT"s which cancel each other out (don't get all Lewis Carroll on me) and re-read. It turns out ... you can deny that those two do get results with their methods. Anyway, run a lap doing pushups before I throw a chair and choke you.

HMs: '87 SCV. agree w/an earlier post: RCM was intense. and Pictures. '88 SCV. 2nd to Devs all tour b/c of BD's dang hornline; but once the total package gelled @ KC they looked unbeatable. Better show than the 89 version... which leads to: '89 Phantom. Brass approached concert hall richness with volume set to '11'. Easy call in the end though: '93 Star of Indiana. Set new standards. Made you think. And rethink.

I meant: concurrently employed by another corps and being courted by Cook; hence the use of "headhunter". ie: The staff was not lured away from another corps via money. Or donuts and the possibility of more donuts. Hannum went to Xmen mid-late 90's and his writing fit like a square peg in a round hole.

and, well... he stated his opinion. He never said you were wrong any more than you said you were right.

I never said "nothing before 1972 really count[ed]"; merely that it was not relevant to the discussion of modern show design both musical and artistic, whereas we still struggle with identity as an activity when confronted with the object lesson of Star '93. What are we... musicians or automatons, artists or athletes? And of these, what kind? Each corps resides at its own place in the paradigm and you are free to pick your spot and enjoy any show that happens upon the neighborhood of your perceived ideal. Furthermore, you are confusing existence with pertinence. The fact that some organizations have "accomplished" 30-70+ years of existence does not keep the next great drill writer up at night. Seemed to me that Star hired staff members that were otherwise not employed by other corps; meaning anyone could have approached them... they were not the highest bidder, headhunting as was implied by "gobbling up". And those they found were utilized to the greater extent of their creative abilities: Star was the utlimate vehicle for Hannum; Crossmen was not! And of your question: "What has Star done lately?" I'll bite: Blast has taken DC to the public better than DCI ever could have, and its success on Broadway has elevated the status of current DC members. Drum corps essentially won a Tony AND an Emmy! Do you get it? Star did that. Lately.

I was going to say say you could combine all three: but the only the "suspect" would be correct... the weapon and location are oh so close. Otherwise Mr. Body was taken down by: 1986 Cadets, with a contra (playing a sop solo), in the 95's. yesssss. edit: Concerning the OP: did you just quote yourself? awesome.

Yeah... besides, everyone knows Suncoast had the best paper plates. How 'bout: if you don't want to read the threads, then... er... um... read them anyway and make a new thread about, oh I don't know, how pointless these threads are. AWESOME. If you need a break, then step away from the computer... besides, who is this "we"? You got a turd in your pocket? That wasn't mercy, that was sarcasm. IT'S ALL IN FUN... not that you'll get to share a laugh with me because you won't be back until move-ins at which point this thread will be buried. Anyway, I'm done with my taxes and a little frazzled so I apologize if this comes off as anything more than a happy guy half-way into a bottle of cab making another pointless post. yesssssss.

SCV '04 Tasty.

On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin! The cheese more people choose! Yeah, I lived it.

AHHH!!! please don't freak out ppl. I'll be right back with a quick reply. I am not trying to be Jerry Springer! ... I like the 95 show! edit: First of all, let me say it was NOT lack of talent by either the staff or performing members. Now, why I equate it to a college band: The show was all about the payoff... there was a bit missing to the subtleties. Feet were bad; transitions cumbersome. Some probably enjoyed how the show because it "kept you on the edge of your seat". That's because you knew the payoff was a-comin; and I call that predictability. So, whilst most were on the edge saying "GIVE IT TO ME, BOYS" waiting to explode in raucous jubilation, I was thinking "ok, ok, I get it: impact... let's get past it already." If this show were done on a Saturday afternoon (ie: halftime), more than a few folks would have a greater appreciation for Stan Kenton. Also, loud hissing sops (much like cotton candy) are good. Too much (see: "cc") makes me a little queasy. The best part of this show (aside from Jeff Moore's overly-intellegent book) is the first dude who gets up to dance on the box... WOW! Awesome. Bet he spent a bit of time on State Street. In a good way you sickos, IN A GOOD WAY! Seriously, great show. <--- which I said in my original post. btw: thanks to all for having the maturity enough to discuss without taking pot-shots in defense.

Spirit 1980. A note... and let me get this out of the way early so it gets buried and I won't have to face a bunch of angry 'never walk aloners' (many of whom I call friends - one was even a groomsman at my wedding)... I know 95 Scouts (and I did enjoy the show) from staff to members and I have told them this face to face, so this isn't a forum snipe-job. But... Sorry, the 95 Scouts show was the ultimate college marching band show. RUN AWAY!!! ~dodges bando district medals, reeds, and CapriSun packs~ HM: '86 Garfield. If there wasn't an issue with drill personnel we would be discussing this show a few rounds from now. 84 horns, Hannum perc book, awful guard. On the Waterfront. The (4+3)/4 movement that starts with the timps backfield is still my all-time fav DC piece.

Funny, with all this talk of Star/Blast, DC and influence... I thought blast was great because of the virtuosity and all the staging luxuries afforded by the indoor venue, but: (say it with me now) Blast is all DC rehash... more or less a "Best Of" show. I was not a fan of Star in general, but '93 was something special. BARTOK?! On the FIELD! b@11z. Hannum's percussion score was unreal.

AGH! pwnd twice.

1989 Cadets HM: '97 Scouts, '07 SCV

Good point and simile noted, thank you. I am sure on the screen that reads like sarcasm, but it is not! I was referring to how it would affect discourse in today's DC world. In terms of history, the date that is relevant to us is 1972. Pre-1972 is another discussion altogether. Furthermore, if we're talking current show design, then 20 years is a stretch... history be dam'd. Really, the question is influence, not history. The US Marine Drum and Bugle Corps has been around since the 1930's and I don't see them popping up in discussion much. The parallel that I failed to draw clearly was that Cadets/Star were not merely maxing out the idiom, they were extending the boundaries of competitve DC. Mid-80's Cadets changed the activity, much like early-90's Star; and had Cadets closed up shop after '87 then we would still be thanking them today for making possible Star '93 etc. and not so much for the peace sign in '71. We still hear/speak of Star because the '93 show still forces us to pay attention even to this day. Now, in terms of history: I would put Star with the likes of BD, Cadets, PR, and SCV as one of the more meaningful groups ever to have taken the field in the DCI arena. ... and now it's time for the ManU/Arsenal match. COYR!

Because they left the activity at the height of their success. If Cadets had pulled the plug after 1987 we'd hold them in the same regard. Star '93 was the second iteration of Garfield '85. We are always left to wonder "what if..." concerning Star.