Morgoth Bauglir

The field definitely looked like hot garbage.

That may be true, but not relevant. The OP's point was that booing the director and his show design is no different than booing the performers, and that the performers can't tell the difference. The OP is wrong.

Quite simply, you're wrong. None of those kids are 3rd graders who can't tell the difference between non-approval for the show and personal insults. They all are in college and stay current with the activity. They know that Hopkins is not generally approved, and that his taste in shows is look on with disdain. If you really think that anyone was booing the kids themselves, or if you think that the kids thought that they were the target of the booing, you're immensely mistaken. And flammaster is right, none of them are even kids. They are young adults who are quite well versed in the ups and downs of live performance art. They don't need to be coddled like 9 year olds at a elementary band recital.

I don't mean interviews with performers. I mean someone up in the box with Dennis and Steve. Or even get someone who is semi-old but still current like Ralph Hardimon. Someone who knows what they are talking about concerning 200- drum corps and doesn't spend the whole time lamenting the old days passing. Like what I was saying about WGI; there were a number of shows that had a very indoor-influenced feel. And Blue Knights for instance have a very good World Class indoor line. Someone who has stayed current could have pointed these things out. I know the theater I was in had a lot of band/WGI kids. And that stuff would not have been lost on them like talking about the first Z-pull was.

I'll offer to reimburse that guy's tour fees if says "I should have joined the Blue Devils" in his talking solo at finals :P

I'm kinda of tired of them letting the opinions seep so much into the broadcast. Especially concerning show types. They don't even try to be subtle about what kind of shows they don't like. Whenever a corps does a modern-esque/dark show they always say stuff like "Well that sure was...interesting. Very dark and hard to follow. It's a big risk playing a show not many people understand or appreciate." And when a corps plays some big-band happy jazz show you get "What an amazing and accessible program! More corps should follow that lead" If this theater broadcast is going to be permanent, and it looks like it is, I think they should pull a younger guy, like someone who aged out in 200? to give the younger side commentary. I know Steve and Dennis are Greats, and have contributed much to the drum corps community, but I grow weary of hearing how modern drum corps pales in comparison to Muchachos 78 or whatnot. IMO, keep Dennis and Steve, but I'm sure there is someone who aged out recently and is looking to get into the Broadcast Arts career who would love to be on air offering their views. Maybe even someone who also has participated in WGI and is really up to speed on the latest styles and such.

I don't know about creepy, but there sure were some good lookin guard chicks :) After aging out and being away from corps for a year do Army stuff, I can tell ya, drum corps sure does attract some attractive females. Sorry if that was offensive. :P

Actually he didn't say that. You're attempting to transpose his tastes in one genre of music to all forms of music. Why don't you go ahead and let him speak about his views of Young Person's Guide or Peter and the Wolf before you put words in his mouth.

Just curious iwannamarch, but how old are you?

Any kind of music can be done well, or done poorly. There is nothing inherent in movie themes that make them un-arrangable by a skilled arranger.

I don't know why it would be a weird effect, since 95% of the difference in sound is imagined by the listener.

Not in exact order Cavies BD Cadets SCV Phantom Bluecoats Madison Crown Boston Crossmen Glassmen Spirit Sorry, Academy and Blue Stars will not be making the top 12 any time soon. A more realistic question will be whether they can actually last the next 10 years at all.

This year the Cavies are doing a Billy Joel show. There is a lot of talk about them not doing so hot with this show. Others often compare this pre-season to 2004, where apparently everyone said 007 would be an off year for them as well. So let's be honest. What were your thoughts about the 007 show in the pre-season? Were you one of the alleged naysayers? What about this year?

There is FAR more degradation of todays drum corps on this board than other eras. I'm astounded that you really think that it's the younger generations that are the ones acting arrogant and superior. For every 1 thread about how frumpy old uniforms look, there are 10 about how modern uniforms are "cookie cutter". For every thread (if there is even 1) crticizing the instrumentation of older drum corps, there are 10,000 telling younger members that they aren't marching "real drum corps" and that they are just in marching band. Any time music is talked about, people heap the praise on older drum corps for being so much more "accessible" and crowd friendly while simultaneously ripping on modern drum corps for favoring sophistication. Get off your high horse and look in the mirror. Your generation is the one flinging the most crap at modern drum corps on DCP, not younger kids ripping on older drum corps.

And Jessica Simpson sells out 100,000 person arenas. Does a symphony playing Mozart do that? Nope. So Jessica Simpson must have achieved more than Mozart? Sorry Bari, but how many dumb MTV kids one dupes into watching you is the the measure of success. And I say that as a 23 year old ex MTV kid. Now it's Beethoven all the way.

Second. Modern shows and modern corps are the bees knees in my book.

And I think that is because drum corps tend to strive for things in addition to entertainment. Clean, in drum corps, is a gaol by itself. So is difficulty. This is not so with show bands. In show bands, the entertainment of the audience is really the only goal. But in drum corps, the members, staffs, judges, and fans demand more than just entertaining shows. They demand clean shows. And they demand clean shows that are still difficult.

It's a shame you feel that way about guards. Visual is just as important as music you know.

So was it a lot or a few?

They usually have a much larger guard, though it's hard to tell with only half being on the field at any given time.

Again, it's not whether or not one group can do what the other group can. It's whether the fans and judges of one group are entertained and pleased with what the other can do. I don't see show style fans liking drum corps, or drum corps fans linking show style(as a general rule). And a drum corps performing a show like SCV 99 would get their ### kicked at a HBOTB show because those judges are not looking for the qualities in SCV 99. Likewise a show band would get it's ### kicked at DCI finals because the judges and fans don't really appreciate that kind of show. 2 different products who's styles do not match, whose judged qualities do not match, and who's fans do not match.

I remember saying something similar to this on other cymbal threads. Any reason given to move the cymbals to the pit can also be used against any other section. 1 pit player with a rack of toms can easily simulate a bass line, and much more ease and clarity. 2 or 3 snare drummers in the pit would be much cleaner than 9 marching on the field. And for that matter, why do the horns march? Any reason to move the cymbals to the pit equally applies to every other section.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, a 17 year old high school kid marching in a competitive marching band and maybe a WGI line, is not going to be nearly as attracted by 1981 Suncoast Sound as he is by 2002 Cavaliers. Deny it all you want, but that's just the way things are. And in 2017, DCI should focus on attracting the 16-18 year olds of 2017, not the 32 year olds from 2007.

That wasn't actually the case in recent times. I know it's still that way in high school, but not in drum corps. To make the Crossmen, Glassmen, SCV, Bloo, Spirit, and Colts lines for instance, you had to be there 100% for cymbals. I marched Glassmen and Crossmen, and knew people in those other lines, and I know for a fact that the members of those lines were very committed to cymbals, not just using them as a stepping stone.