Jami Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 pags - great points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vferrera Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Andy Poor has been judging for many years and has seen every corps perform multiple times this season. He knows what a 9.9 is. Jeez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavalier1995 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 No, ties are NOT ok. The job of an adjudicator is make a decision regarding placement based on the criteria, not to tie groups when the decision is too tough. And it's obvious he came to the show with a ranking system already in place. Thus, he did not play the 'leave room at the top' game as a judge. If you cap the ceiling too soon, there's no where to go, and you can't reward those corps left over for improvement. Make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittleman Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Ok, let me refine my statement.I don't have a problem with ties in the sub captions. Total score? Of course! But a judge giving two 9.9's with three more corps left to go on... if you're going to play the 'you have to leave room at the top' game, then obviously he didn't. Thus, I don't mind ties happening in subcaptions. Yeah, but if there are no ties in the subcaptions, there could be a tie when they are all added together... This is unlikely, but has happened multiple times in the past. That doesn't mean the judges are bad, it just means two or more different corps performed at equal levels, both with different strengths and weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavalier1995 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Yeah, but if there are no ties in the subcaptions, there could be a tie when they are all added together... This is unlikely, but has happened multiple times in the past. That doesn't mean the judges are bad, it just means two or more different corps performed at equal levels, both with different strengths and weaknesses. And that's where the post 2000 tie breaking rule comes into play. If there's a total overall tie score, the winner goes to the most with 1st place subcaptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNModdison Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 My only problem is that he had Cadets 5th in brass. That is crazy to me! Their hornline this year is one of the best I've ever heard! Maybe Bluecoats should've beaten them last night, but...Phantom, BD, and Cavies beating them too? nah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersop Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 No, ties are NOT ok. The job of an adjudicator is make a decision regarding placement based on the criteria, not to tie groups when the decision is too tough. Actually they are ok. There are 2 subcaptions on the judges sheet. One corps might be technical masters but lack musicality. By the way .. those 2 subcaptions have specific criteria such as TONE QUALITY, BALANCE, BLEND, TIMING etc etc etc. If a corps get's a 9.9 and a 9.6 ... that makes sense to me. It's when each corps is in a specific place top to bottom in each subcaption that bothers me. I'll take can obvious example (at least to me) ... Crown might only get a 9.3 for technique ... but should be getting a 9.9 in Musicality. Do they? NO! Each of the top hornlines are so good, there's nothing wrong with 2 or corps getting the same subcaption number ... or tying for 2nd or 3rd. However, I do agree that there should be a clear winning when they show themselves to be worthy. There was room to hand out a 10 should it have been necessary. The judge did fine other than the cross subcaption rankings were very close to being the same for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 There were two tenths left there... if Cavies/Cadets/BD was better than the Blue Coats, he would have given them a higher score than the Blue Coats. It's that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxologist Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 There were two tenths left there... if Cavies/Cadets/BD was better than the Blue Coats, he would have given them a higher score than the Blue Coats. It's that simple. What if they were all better? 20.1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 (edited) So does this mean nobody is allowed to be the best except for whoever is seeded first?? That's completely ridiculous. Edited August 10, 2007 by prophet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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