Shadow_7 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Scoring is so over-rated in this entertainment field. Unless you don't even get one. Sure everyone is saying you should have beat Corps X. But what does it matter if the Judge never put a score to it to back it up. (silly 35 minimum)... Probably more so now that there ARE semi-local corps to "compete" against. When/IF we're allowed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Quick without looking it up,,,who was the 5th place corps in 2001? Bushwackers. With something like 67 members total in the corps. Great small corps that year. fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDz Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Simple solution......... Change the Class A score sheets so that there is no way to compare an Open Corps with a Class A corps......or perhaps have the field and ensemble execution judges swap after the last Class A preliminary corps. Now you take the top 10 and top 3 to finals. Then all judges stay in a caption through the entire finals. It would be possible to be both the Class A Champion and Open Class 10th place corps. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallipygianKing Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Change the Class A score sheets so that there is no way to compare an Open Corps with a Class A corps..... Except that there's a little bit of genius in the simplicity of the system as it exists. DCA is still growing and still trying to encourage growth through the Class A "experiment". While I'm all about allowing a Class A corps with a score that puts them into the top ten a chance to still compete in the Class A finals, I wouldn't want to take away the option of the easy jump into Open Class if that's what a corps' goal is. That's a little harder to do if corps are judged under totally different criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDz Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Except that there's a little bit of genius in the simplicity of the system as it exists. DCA is still growing and still trying to encourage growth through the Class A "experiment". While I'm all about allowing a Class A corps with a score that puts them into the top ten a chance to still compete in the Class A finals, I wouldn't want to take away the option of the easy jump into Open Class if that's what a corps' goal is. That's a little harder to do if corps are judged under totally different criteria. OK...........this is true. So let me try a different approach. This would be an easier problem to discuss if we apply "politically correct" thinking. What would we do if we had an Open Class and an All Female Class? Even back in 1953, did Audubon's second place finish (0.1 behind St. Vincent) at the VFW NATIONALS mean they couldn't also compete in an all-girl contest or division? (Maybe it did....but that thinking wouldn't fly today!) Suppose we have the preliminaries run just as they are (not broken=don't "fix"). We take the top 10 corps to the Open Finals plus the top 3 corps of 35 members to the Class A Finals. If a Class A corps makes top 10 overall, we add an additional corps (13th in preliminaries) to keep 13 appearing in the finals. The corps appear in reverse order of preliminaries scores. Scores are announced.....someone gets the same score in both Class A and Open. This encourages the Class A "experiment," rewards the Class A corps for reaching Open Class score status, encourages Class A corps to grow without removing safety net of a place for small or growing or struggling corps to thrive. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMCK Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Bushwackers. With something like 67 members total in the corps. Great small corps that year.fran Thanks, Fran! 31 horns at finals...a very small corps that really believed. Went from 10th in 2000 to 5th in 01. I have so many spectacular memories from that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spandy Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 OK...........this is true. So let me try a different approach.This would be an easier problem to discuss if we apply "politically correct" thinking. What would we do if we had an Open Class and an All Female Class? Even back in 1953, did Audubon's second place finish (0.1 behind St. Vincent) at the VFW NATIONALS mean they couldn't also compete in an all-girl contest or division? (Maybe it did....but that thinking wouldn't fly today!) Suppose we have the preliminaries run just as they are (not broken=don't "fix"). We take the top 10 corps to the Open Finals plus the top 3 corps of 35 members to the Class A Finals. If a Class A corps makes top 10 overall, we add an additional corps (13th in preliminaries) to keep 13 appearing in the finals. The corps appear in reverse order of preliminaries scores. Scores are announced.....someone gets the same score in both Class A and Open. This encourages the Class A "experiment," rewards the Class A corps for reaching Open Class score status, encourages Class A corps to grow without removing safety net of a place for small or growing or struggling corps to thrive. Joe So it'd be the opposite of a tie: instead of two corps in one placement, you'd get two placements for one corps. Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDz Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 So it'd be the opposite of a tie: instead of two corps in one placement, you'd get two placements for one corps. Hmm... YUP....... ........and if we have a "problem" with that.......we can make them appear twice......... once in "A" finals and again in Open Finals. Winning more than once happens in MANY sports...... Olympic gymnastics......they compete in individual events and "overall." If the Class "A" champs are also the ninth best overall corps, why not award them both? It's quite an accomplishment for a smaller corps to be able to get high enough effect scores to do that. DCA is in a position to show what flexible thinking can accomplish. The Class A "experiment" is the big thing now. In a few years it could be something else.....mini corps........alumni corps....... We should be looking to INCLUDE......not exclude. Final point...... Reading Bucs are Open Champs......They are also brass champs, percussion champs, etc. Why shouldn't the ninth or tenth best overall corps also be "A" champs if they meet the criteria? Who gets hurt? How cool would it be to see two corps tied for the "A" championship and tied for eight in open? Maybe even DCI should try it. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_7 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 (edited) ........and if we have a "problem" with that.......we can make them appear twice......... once in "A" finals and again in Open Finals. Except that at finals, those two spots perform back to back. With maybe in intermission if they're lucky. Of course if they placed higher than 10th, they'd get at least a one corps buffer between gigs. At least the odds of them getting a decent recording of at least one of their shows are improved. Edited July 31, 2008 by Shadow_7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallipygianKing Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Thanks, Fran!31 horns at finals...a very small corps that really believed. Went from 10th in 2000 to 5th in 01. I have so many spectacular memories from that year. I think that the great thing about this year is that the 10th place spot could realistically be pulled off with 14 horns. Both Chops and Govies are marching lines that small, and both seem to be within striking distance score-wise... How's that for a very small corps with a lot of belief in their talent and show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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