Tom Brace Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I agree with some things you write here, don't agree with others, but I just wanted to say that when you steer away from over the top sarcasm, you write a fine post. See I think I write a fine post either way. Something else we don't agree on. The whole idea of a post that singled out one incident and began a bogus scoreboard deserved the sarcasm. It was a very blatant attempt to once again..call the bashers together for a fest of some sort. We've gone beyond in most of this in having realistic debate. Perhaps we should do what my former debate coach had us do frequently...switch sides? I could argue for the prohibition of all electronics and you could argue in favor...game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 could never do it Tom. I was taught not to lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveBari Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 1. I don't think every corps needs amps. If you have a 45 member hornline, I can probably hear the pit just fine. But, I'm ok with mics on pit instruments and some of the new effects (whistle in the 007 show comes to mind) that corps can make use of. i agree. only certain corps really need to amp, but if a corps feel they need to.... feel free. 2. I don't like narration and have never found need for it. Show me. Provide me a libretto. If you have to explain to me what the show is about, you probably need better show design. Yeah. Not a big fan of narration at all. One possible exception...if it was so crucial to the success of the piece...for instance...two examples...Cadet's 2002 show with the Pledge...goosebumps. If any corps did a show with an orchestral piece where the narration was so crucial...A Lincoln Portrait comes to mind. Then, I would only judge it on it's "professionalism." agreed! i've marched and taught shows with narration, and it needs to be executed with the utmost taste and setting to be pulled off and gain effect rather than loose it. if drum corps needs scripts then they should re-evaluate their idiom. 3. Vocals...yeah...mostly not a big fan. I've heard the effect overused when the corps sings the last portion of a brass chorale part. Yeah...again. I get to judge this performance versus some of the finest HS and College aged choirs I have heard. Sorry...the performance just doesn't stack up. So vocals...I'm not sold yet. i think if a corps can add in effectful human voice (pref non-amplified) then its cool. reference boston crusaders, cadets 'vocal amen', cavaliers 2002 "1 and 4" .. these pull off good effects. 4. Synths...I'm not inclined to like it. What I've heard so far doesn't get in the way of my enjoyment, but I haven't yet heard that moment where I went...."Oh, cool." I have not had that eureka moment, yet. i for one am SUPER excited about synths in drum corps... i think the corps will do a great job with the ability synths will provide to the sound and effect of the drum corps show. 5. Woodwinds...again...not seeing it being a reality anytime soon. And I would agree, the title drum and bugle corps would no longer be applicable. It would be totally summer marching band season. However, hasn't drum corps always been more like marching band than most of us ever wanted to admit? Otherwise, I think we could describe it to new people without having them or us utter the "b" word. I have had little success in telling people about drum corps unless I start with it's relation to marching band. yea.... no woodwinds.. the brand, cost, reed usage, temperature, RAIN would all play negative factors into adding woodwinds into drum corps.... sorry, thats why we have "marching band" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_S Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Perhaps we should do what my former debate coach had us do frequently...switch sides? I could argue for the prohibition of all electronics and you could argue in favor...game? Ha! I took a handful of debate classes too, this would be grand. I'm game if anyone else is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 A preposterous proposal. Why? Because there is no evidence any significant portion of the current community managing corps and designing shows wants to take two steps back. Or one. This proposal is tantamount to me proposing that my company get into the porn business and appoint me “talent czar.” In addition to auditioning any woman I please, I get more money and full support and backing from my wife. Preposterous, right? Yes, because both are dreams. Drum corps aren’t hard at work looking for ways to return the drum line to their lock on the 50-yard line any more than that teenage band practicing in the neighborhood garage is trying to perfect that 70s sound. Contemporary isn’t just a description. It’s a barrier. It’s an obstacle which seldom is crossed in reverse. Drum corps isn’t straddling some divide. It has arrived, which is here, beyond the past and generally beyond going back. There is another issue which is frequently forgotten or ignored in discussions such as these. That is, there is nothing stopping any corps from unplugging right now. There is nothing to stop Scouts or Cavies or SCV from performing this year or next as retro as they care to be. It is common in the electronics debate on DCP to decry the lack of genuine creativity today. The common lament holds that electronics and other drum corps tools are a crutch used in place of genuine creativity. And yet that genuine creativity is no where to be found. No corps today is genuinely creative. No corps, not even the legacy-favorite Scouts, has found the creative juice to make a compelling program worthy of both fan and judge. Don’t believe it when they try to make you believe it’s a conspiracy, that otherwise guiltless corps would unplug the amps and satisfy the fans were it not for the evil manipulations of DCI and its judges. Don’t believe it that they’re suppressing those brilliant acoustic ideas in Madison and Rosemont because the conspirators would rather have mics than applause. Because Phantom won without narration and Cadets lost with it. Bluecoats were a fan favorite two years with voice. Crown was loved two years too - one talking, the higher placement not. There is no evidence of any such conspiracy. The only evidence is that experimentation fundamental to drum corps just as its fundamental to music. The very notion that this music won’t move ahead not back is one that won’t start. And that is as it should be. HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 actually there is a reason why corps wont unplug now. it's on a sheet. and to not have it is actually hurting yourself on that sheet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rut-roh Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 actually there is a reason why corps wont unplug now.it's on a sheet. and to not have it is actually hurting yourself on that sheet You've seen the sheets for this year? Can you provide a link? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 actually there is a reason why corps wont unplug now.it's on a sheet. and to not have it is actually hurting yourself on that sheet Which sheds zero perspective on why the preference so far has been to use electronics. It's not because there was a box on the sheets. It's not because there was a conspiracy on scoring. It's because the corps wanted to. The difference between that desire and the two-division proposal is one is realistic and the other is not. I'll be the porn talent czar before there are two divisions along those lines. Either way, everyone gets some. HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 This proposal is tantamount to me proposing that my company get into the porn business and appoint me “talent czar.” In addition to auditioning any woman I please, I get more money and full support and backing from my wife. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 You've seen the sheets for this year? Can you provide a link? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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