Drumcorpsfan471 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 SO I know there have been many topics on here about jazz run technique and what not. What I wanted to ask about was what people thought of corps that jazz run a 6 to 5 step size. I have noticed (or maybe it is me just paying more attention) that more and more corps seem to be ditching the idea that a 6 to 5 is a marchable step size and instead jazz running it. I am curious what you guys think. Should corps only jazz run 4 to 5? Does it really matter? Do you notice it? How bout it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 SO I know there have been many topics on here about jazz run technique and what not. What I wanted to ask about was what people thought of corps that jazz run a 6 to 5 step size. I have noticed (or maybe it is me just paying more attention) that more and more corps seem to be ditching the idea that a 6 to 5 is a marchable step size and instead jazz running it. I am curious what you guys think. Should corps only jazz run 4 to 5? Does it really matter? Do you notice it? How bout it.... I've noticed. Personally, I don't really care too much as long as the drill move in question is a) uniformly marched b) clean and c) keeps brass tone quality as good as possible. I sometimes roll my eyes when I see a corps jazz run at a step size that is obtainable via regular marching technique, but as long as it's clean and uniform it doesn't really matter. I assume that the jazz running at 6 to 5 is done for one or more of the above reasons, so I don't care much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PioSop06 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 It seems to me that Phantom switches to a jazz run at about a 5 to 5. For me, I think at certain tempos, switching to a jazz run at a 6 or 5 to 5 is reasonable, especially if it helps keep the feet in time and the sound and tone smooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmelloGuy Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 When I've done jazz running, it isn't about "running" or taking huge steps. It is all about the toe-lead look. I have taught and marched this at a 6-5. The level change is less in the smaller steps and we focus on lengthening the leg for each stride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCCGrifle09 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 As someone who has marched in both hornlines and in color guard, I can say I've had to use jazz runs many times. When I was in high school, we used a jazz run at fast tempos to cover ground. It's not necessarily about uniform marching style across-the-band (as in heel lead and toe lead), but about velocity differences and distance. It can actually be very effective if certain sections of an ensemble are heel-lead marching while others are jazz running - if it's written and executed well. I've especially noticed over the last 8-10 years in high school bands participating in BOA contests that they will utilize jazz running, especially in percussion features. It's all about design and execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 SO I know there have been many topics on here about jazz run technique and what not. What I wanted to ask about was what people thought of corps that jazz run a 6 to 5 step size. I have noticed (or maybe it is me just paying more attention) that more and more corps seem to be ditching the idea that a 6 to 5 is a marchable step size and instead jazz running it. I am curious what you guys think. Should corps only jazz run 4 to 5? Does it really matter? Do you notice it? How bout it.... You also have to take into account people's height or how long their legs are. There were many times where when I marched, some of us had to take a 6 to 5 step size; many of us were comfortable marching it, but a lot of shorter people or people with shorter legs HAD to run to make their dots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty543 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 It seems to me that Phantom switches to a jazz run at about a 5 to 5. For me, I think at certain tempos, switching to a jazz run at a 6 or 5 to 5 is reasonable, especially if it helps keep the feet in time and the sound and tone smooth. > 6 to 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liebot Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I feel like Phantom and Cavies jazz run at a 7 to 5 a lot and it just looks silly. Although I don't think Cavies technically jazz run (They still do heel-first at large step sizes, right? I could be wrong). Either way, they (the Cavaliers) lose a ton of height at pretty not-so-big step sizes, and it looks odd. 6-to-5 isn't really a jazz-run-worthy step size, although it can depend on the person's height, as well as the direction changes into and out of that phrase. If you've got a flying back up into a 6-to-5 forward or a 6-to-5 forward into a large move backwards in the opposite direction it can be easier to control your weight and keep time through the direction change by using a jazz-run technique. Doesn't look as cool, but is probably easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrothgar15 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 (edited) I think jazz running looks dumb at anything smaller than a 5-to-5 (except when used for effect like Phantom 2007). Edited August 18, 2009 by Hrothgar15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayM Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I feel like Phantom and Cavies jazz run at a 7 to 5 a lot and it just looks silly. Although I don't think Cavies technically jazz run (They still do heel-first at large step sizes, right? I could be wrong). Either way, they (the Cavaliers) lose a ton of height at pretty not-so-big step sizes, and it looks odd. No. Toe-lead, level change, etc. I don't think I ever used jazz run technique at > 5 to 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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