corps-mudgeon Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) I'm not sure I'm any more convinced. If 3dB is doubling the power, how do we explain Crown at 11dB above BD? Surely they were double, triple or more louder? No disputing, just not computing .. HH Randy's just right with his answer above. Measurements is a science in itself. There are so many variables in a show situation that it would be impossible to say Randy's numbers are 100% definitive. As he says, they're for fun. Some factors: - Accuracy of the equipment - Direction of microphone - Directionality of microphone - Isolation of microphone from reflections and unrelated noise (such as crowd) - Bandwidth of equipment - Position of corps on field (huge impact... sound attenuates proportionally to square of distance, meaning twice the distance equates to 1/4 the power other things being equal) - Direction of horns (some corps might be better than others playing to the box, making sound in first row less) All that being said, the numbers should be pretty representative of Randy's experience in his seat even if they aren't necessarily what each corps would do in controlled studio conditions... thanks so much for taking the effort and sharing! Edited August 1, 2011 by corps-mudgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GABA Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Does this just mean that the Amps from the Loudest Corps, go to 11 and everyone else only goes to 10? -G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Interesting. Thanks for the answers. HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baridon09 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 The number you got for BS upsets me. Did you by chance do any decible levels for 2009? I loved playing the loud chords during the "war" section just before taps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrownBariDad Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 The number you got for BS upsets me. Did you by chance do any decible levels for 2009? I loved playing the loud chords during the "war" section just before taps. Sorry--I didn't think about doing any measurements until the 2010 season. The only show I saw live in 2009 was in Atlanta and we were seated pretty far back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrownBariDad Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 OK--here are the rest of my measurements and notes. For each corps, they should be in music order. I don't have all the corps reps memorized, so I may call anything slow a "ballad" and use generic terms like opener, closer, next section, etc. when I didn't know the tune title. I was able to measure over a time span (usually a defined section of the corps' show) and then could see the max level on the meter, which is presented here with notes on where it occurred. Hopefully, those of you more familiar with the music will be able to match the measurements to the section. Of course, for the "ballad" there is usually (but not always) a nice crescendo which represents the max value. P&B = "park & bark" And see the correction for Cascades. Alliance: 108 - 102 ballad - 108 closer Jubal: 108 - 106 opener - 108 "shout" chorus Pioneer: 106 - 101 opener Jersey Surf: 112 - 110 opener - 112 closer Teal Sound: 109 - 108 first brass hit - 109 (w/ bass drum) - 108 closer Mandarins: 109 - 102 opener - 106 2nd part - 107 pit/battery feature - 109 closer Cascades: 110 <= CORRECTION (was 109) - 107 opener - 110 pit feature before ballad - 104 ballad - 109 closer Crossmen: 112 - 111 opener (corps in spread formation) - 108 hit on end of latin number - 109 "Spinning Wheel" - 100 ballad - 112 closer Pacific Crest: 108 - 103 opener - 107 "park & bark" (P&B) - 107 following section - 103 before percussion break - 108 before closer - 106 closer Colts: 111 - 111 opener - 110 next - 106 ballad - 111 closer The Academy: 110 - 110 opener "Little Fugue" after piccolo trumpet solo. - 107 next (spread formation) - 106 ballad (spread) - 110 closer Glassmen: 113 - 113 opener hit - 102 pit - 110 ballad - 111 drum feature after the "silver flags" - 103 P&B - 108 just before the "red sheet" is displayed - 110 closer Troopers: 110 - 105 opening chord - 109 next section - 110 before slow section - 106 "infinity chord" - only brass Blue Knights: 108 - 90 "Bonny Boy" audio - 105 opener - 105 next part - 108 after drum feature - 105 end of ballad - 107 end Blue Stars: 108 - 102 opening audio. - 105 opening - 108 next - 106 before slow section - 107 closer Spirit of Atlanta: 113 - 113 opener - 111 before the "Lady in Red" - 105 ballad - 113 "Harlem Nocturne" end Santa Clara Vanguard: 111 - 110 opening hit - 106 before ballad - 102 ballad - 111 closer Boston Crusaders: 107 - 107 opener - 106 before 1st 1812 theme - 106 closer Madison Scouts: 119 - 107 opener - 107 "New York, New York" (On the Town) - 106 next - 109 company front - 119 closer Bluecoats: 111 - 107 opener - 110 next part - 105 before synth section - 110 P&B - 111 closer Phantom Regiment: 114 - 108 opener - 108 hit in Verdi Dias Irae - 108 next before 3/4 section - 109 ballad - 114 next before Elsa's - 112 Elsa's Carolina Crown: 120+ - 112 first hit after pre-show - 110 "Paint It Black" - 105 ballad - 112 "fake" end - 120+ last chord The Cavaliers: 113 - 113 opener - 105 where the stilts enter - 109 after upside down tenor feature - 111 P&B - 104 brass arc after bari/mello duet - 108 closer The Cadets: 110 - 105 opener - 109 angels & demons battle - 110 end of "160 BPM" - 102 end of Doxology - 110 closer Blue Devils: 109 - 106 opening hit - 109 just before battery/pit feature - 106 "Promises, Promises" P&B - 106 closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubiks6Side Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Does this just mean that the Amps from the Loudest Corps, go to 11 and everyone else only goes to 10? -G Yes and Spirits go to 12. Wish it wasn't so loud cause it distracts from how loud the horns really are which is... LOUD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecoats88 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 call the Award the "1980 Spirit of Atlanta Memorial Jim Ott shatter the Glass in the Press Box Trophy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrownBariDad Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 Yes and Spirits go to 12. Wish it wasn't so loud cause it distracts from how loud the horns really are which is... LOUD! Actually, for the Atlanta show Spirit had turned down their amps quite a bit. I was even going to measure the audio and sound effects during Spirit's show, but hearing the marked difference (from Gadsden), I didn't bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQuinn Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Wondering if Madison's brass had an off night because in San Antonio they were definitely louder than Crown. Louder than everyone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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