TenHut Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I honestly don't recall a single injury like this back in the day. None. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Lancer Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said: That is a lot of catching rifles in the noggin. I am going to go BITD here, but I remember guards working fundamentals for hours, emphasizing hand positions and angles before they started spinning. And they spun a lot before they started tossing. So I guess what I’m asking is ‘are they asking the guard to try to do too much too soon?’ Question for my fellow Dinosaur Lancer - 27 was famous for its rifle line, and back then rifles were a lot heavier. Did you guys experience injuries like this? I can’t imagine the lying on back while spinning worked perfectly the first time they tried it. Caveat - We don’t want to get OP in trouble w/ their Corps. Nope — I never saw it happen at 27. Those rifles were like machines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 33 minutes ago, Jurassic Lancer said: Nope — I never saw it happen at 27. Those rifles were like machines. Years ago there was one (LancerFi) who posted regularly on DCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madisonsmiley Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 22 hours ago, madmooffan said: We were just plagued by injury all throughout the season due to poor off-season prep and that ruined any chance for us to really do meaningful cleaning of the show. We’d clean drill with 10 holes, then 3 people would come back in having not marched in weeks and it would end up dirtier than when it started. Is it better to raise the bar and field a smaller group? Or field a full corps and have these types of issues? I think the corps would go further with a smaller group that can give 100% all season than deal with these types of issues. What do you think @madmooffan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madisonsmiley Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 17 hours ago, madmooffan said: It was a younger corps, and I think many did not understand the rigor of the activity enough to prep themselves properly beforehand. This year will likely be a younger corps as well, but I believe staff, after how the last season went, will probably make it much more clear the importance of off-season physical preparation. Even if someone doesn’t care at all despite that, there’s going to be required workout assignments. They’ll at least be doing that, at the bare minimum. Defining and setting expectations by staff is important. If members don't meet them, its up to staff to maintain them. If members aren't meeting the standards, staff shouldn't let them on the field. If I were a member and there were members that weren't cutting it and staff enabled this, I wouldn't be happy about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madisonsmiley Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 14 hours ago, Jurassic Lancer said: No … that happens when rifles fall on your head. "Lack of off season prep" translates into poor performance, which means bad tosses and catches, which means more concussions. Or, from another perspective, membership standards are such that they're accepting members unable to handle the difficulty of the program safely. Or, staff is overwriting the program for the capabilities of the members. Or, they're mis-diagnosing concussions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madisonsmiley Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 17 hours ago, madmooffan said: The killer injury for us last year was concussions, we had more than a dozen, maybe more than 2. The concussion protocol put into place by Dylan and the corps was great and helped get people recovered and back on the field after concussions, even on tour. There was just way too many of them. The number of concussions seems unusual for a drum corps. What is typical? What's the root cause of the number of concussions? Staff lowering the bar on membership? Or, over writing the program to the capabilities of the members? After three or four concussions, wouldn't it be prudent to adjust the demands of the program so there aren't more concussions? I'm surprised there wasn't earlier intervention by staff and management given how chronic this problem was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmooffan Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 40 minutes ago, madisonsmiley said: Is it better to raise the bar and field a smaller group? Or field a full corps and have these types of issues? I think the corps would go further with a smaller group that can give 100% all season than deal with these types of issues. What do you think @madmooffan? From what I’ve heard from the one returning drum major we have, plans are to raise the bar and field a smaller hornline with more alternates this upcoming year. I definitely agree with you, having a smaller group that can give 95-100% all season is better than a larger one that is always somewhere between 70-90%. 29 minutes ago, madisonsmiley said: The number of concussions seems unusual for a drum corps. What is typical? What's the root cause of the number of concussions? Staff lowering the bar on membership? Or, over writing the program to the capabilities of the members? After three or four concussions, wouldn't it be prudent to adjust the demands of the program so there aren't more concussions? I'm surprised there wasn't earlier intervention by staff and management given how chronic this problem was. In my eyes, I think the performers just didn’t prepare enough for a difficult production. I don’t think staff lowered the bar on membership too much, the general feeling was that we were a more talented corps than in ‘22 going into this season. People just didn’t get themselves to the level they needed to be. It was like they expected to be marching installation 85. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madisonsmiley Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, madmooffan said: In my eyes, I think the performers just didn’t prepare enough for a difficult production. I don’t think staff lowered the bar on membership too much, the general feeling was that we were a more talented corps than in ‘22 going into this season. People just didn’t get themselves to the level they needed to be. It was like they expected to be marching installation 85. Staffs job is to balance the capabilities of the members with the demands of the show so the corps can peak at DCI. Dozens of concussions, and the amount of practices missed would tell me the book is too demanding and needs to be modified so it still challenges members and they are able perform the material at a high level in Indy. To improve performance you can clean, water down, or both. If cleaning isn't working, then perhaps it is time to water down the book. Experienced and knowledgable educators will know what the performers can handle after working with them. Edited October 10, 2023 by madisonsmiley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmooffan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 14 hours ago, madisonsmiley said: Staffs job is to balance the capabilities of the members with the demands of the show so the corps can peak at DCI. Dozens of concussions, and the amount of practices missed would tell me the book is too demanding and needs to be modified so it still challenges members and they are able perform the material at a high level in Indy. To improve performance you can clean, water down, or both. If cleaning isn't working, then perhaps it is time to water down the book. Experienced and knowledgable educators will know what the performers can handle after working with them. And thus we have a bunch of new staff 😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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