JohnD Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Have you played on some of the F.E. Olds horns? The Recording, the Mendez, the Opera... How bout some of the old Martin, or even Conn horns. -Doc WOW - I haven't heard someone talk about the Olds horns in a LONG time. My Olds Recording trumpet is in pretty good shape and is still a GREAT horn. Sadly, it doesn't get much use anymore - but I just can't imagine ever parting with it. WAAAY too many great memories associated with that axe. -john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowend Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 First of all, Tuscaloosa is not "Redneckville". I happen to live there myself (attend UA as a trumpet major) and there is much, much worse in Alabama! :P My first question is: have you even played the thing or are you just wowed by its looks and the stats on it? This a "boutique" horn --- limited production, limited scope in terms of intended buyers. As such, it's going to carry a much higher price tag, and you're not really going to find any used. My advice: take a trip down Hwy 82 to Montgomery and visit Jim Darby at Capitol Music. He deals in Bach, Holton, Getzen, Schilke, and Kanstul. You'll be able to find a horn that will fit all of your needs to way beyond college for a lot less change. Stay away from Tuscaloosa Music -- they're a rip off. Then again, it's your cash, so spend as you will. Drop me a PM if you want to talk some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bssop97 Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 If you are going to go with a Bach route, play as many as possible. The current line has many dogs. I would say if you grabed 10 37 bell Bachs and played them, it would break down like this. 4... Lemons 3... Ok horns... A little stuffy on certain valves. 2... Good horns... Play like a Yamaha 1... True Bach... Plays like, sounds like, and feals consistant. This is why I always recomend use. Early Elkhart horns can be found and 8/10 are very good horns. If I had a choice out of a NEW BACH or and old Olds Ambassador(a student model olds)... I'll take the Olds. OH... BTW on of the trumpet players with the Dirty Dozen Brass Band plays on a Olds of that model. Now the Bob Reeves horn is his design made by Stomvi. The band I work with has several players on Stomvi's and they are well made, quality horns but they lack that sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vferrera Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Wow. I'd like to have a BMW, but it's just too hard to justify the $$$ when you can get a Honda for half the price. I think it's the same with horns. You should be able to get a very playable Yamaha, Bach or Schilke for around $1500. What exactly are you getting that's worth paying double for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofjabba Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Wow. I'd like to have a BMW, but it's just too hard to justify the $$$ when you can get a Honda for half the price. I think it's the same with horns. You should be able to get a very playable Yamaha, Bach or Schilke for around $1500. What exactly are you getting that's worth paying double for? Get a Bach Strad 43 Most of the pros use just a standard Strad 43.. Great horn and if you shop it right you can get them for about 1500 and change.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CozyChopsCom Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 If you are going to go with a Bach route, play as many as possible. The current line has many dogs. I would say if you grabed 10 37 bell Bachs and played them, it would break down like this.4... Lemons 3... Ok horns... A little stuffy on certain valves. 2... Good horns... Play like a Yamaha 1... True Bach... Plays like, sounds like, and feals consistant. This is why I always recomend use. Early Elkhart horns can be found and 8/10 are very good horns. If I had a choice out of a NEW BACH or and old Olds Ambassador(a student model olds)... I'll take the Olds. OH... BTW on of the trumpet players with the Dirty Dozen Brass Band plays on a Olds of that model.<snip> You're right on with the new Bachs. They have to be tested thoroughly. The old Bachs were far more consistent. The Olds Mendez was/is quite a fine trumpet, as are most all the Olds. I interviewed and reviewed a Dirty Dozen Brass Band concert at the International Trumpet Guild Conference one year. Great band with lotsa stamina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMBob Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Most of the pros use just a standard Strad 43 I don't think this is necessarily true - there are many Yamahas, Stomvis, Schilkes, and others out there. If you do look for a Bach - try it first, and have a pro try it if possible - bssop97 is definitely right when it comes to the manufacturing inconsistencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Any horn you should be testing countless numbers. When I bought my Bach 43, I tried at least 8-10 of them, a bunch of Bach 72s, and a pile of Yamahas. At that time and for what I've needed, the Bach has been great, but there is definitely not a "one size fits all" when it comes to trumpets. You should never feel pressured to buy whatever because the store or your teacher told you so (In this case, I mean a teacher saying "only" this or that horn). You are the one ultimately spending the $$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.C. Horn Doctor Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 I've got a couple of Bach Strads right now for grabs... I've got one that I was thinking of souping up. --Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofjabba Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I still use the Olds Ambassador that I learned on.. Blends in good, nice valve action, and it bounces when you drop it! Parts are plentiful, not to mention cheap. Since I collect Olds I am a little partial to them. They made great horns.. I'm not really hard corps into the high brass. But I have had the chance to play lots of different equipment. And you are right, some horns work better than others for some folks. I just reminded myself to call the shop to see if they got an estimate ready for the repairs on my Olds Concert Tuba. I still want to find a Olds Marching Baritone Bb, and a 2 Valve Ultratone II Contra. F.E. Olds & Son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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