Brassop Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Comments as innocuous as what I quoted and wrote below are targets for censorship on Drum Corps Planet. It's sad to see that the Madison thread has been closed. Whenever serious discussion and open debate occur here, some nerd without a life shuts them down. How is drum corps threatened by pluralism and free speech? This interview....Link #2 about Hopkins' first attempt at increasing corps size Strike one against history and tradition and alienating the paying fans. Strike two against history and tradition and creating an elite musical organization. From those quotes - and through his actions - George Hopkins doesn't seem to give a flying #### about drum corps or the kids involved. The whole thing appears to be about himself and the money that stands to be made as he transitions drum corps into marching bands. Many argue that he and his minions are poison to this activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tsar Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Comments as innocuous as what I quoted and wrote below are targets for censorship on Drum Corps Planet. It's sad to see that the Madison thread has been closed. Whenever serious discussion and open debate occur here, some nerd without a life shuts them down. How is drum corps threatened by pluralism and free speech? From those quotes - and through his actions - George Hopkins doesn't seem to give a flying #### about drum corps or the kids involved. The whole thing appears to be about himself and the money that stands to be made as he transitions drum corps into marching bands. Many argue that he and his minions are poison to this activity. "a flying ####" is hardly innocuous. Perhaps you meant another word. As far as the free speech thing...I get very annoyed by the mods as well. I think for the most part they are heavy handed and too quick on the draw, but....this is the thing.... This is not the US Government. Therefore, matters of free speech are not applicable here. This is a privately-owned forum, and John can set the rules as he likes. If he wants to continue a "Victorian" word filter, that is his right. And the mods are only doing what they are told to do from above. I hate to parrot the line that I've seen before on this forum, but...no one is forcing you to stay. If you don't like it, you can always go elsewhere. However, while I believe that the only reason "naughty" words are naughty is because WE allow them to affect us...you certainly knew what you were doing when you wrote what you did, and it was NOT innocuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistofflies Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Additionally, I don't think that the thread was closed due to what was being said about the Cadets, as much as it was closed due to the way that some of the people associated with Madison were conducting themselves. It was not positive or constructive, and making personal attacks in a public forum of this nature really isn't the best idea. It's a matter best handled privately. As much as I did find parts of the thread interesting, when it had degenerated into accusations and posters using each other's full names, I felt that certain lines of decency and protection of privacy online had been crossed. I was glad to see it closed so that those engaged in the debate can take it to a more private forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedicadet05 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I really have no idea what you're trying to get at here. Whatever those links were to wee hardly as devious as you lead on to be. I hate hop blah blah blah..... Drum Corps isn't what it used to be blah blah blah.... i'm beating a dead horse blah blah blah... as far as the free speech thing, the mods are just trying to control the boards. Most of the stuff that is being shut down probably has no value or is just mindless banter. DCP is well-known for having extreme viewpoints and various individuals being quite nasty to each other on public forums. They close posts cause they really don't have a point, like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CadetsFan08 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 The Scott Stewart thread wasn't mindless banter. It was some serious stuff. The thread closure shows that DCP doesn't have the balls to host such a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scerpella Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 (edited) Additionally, I don't think that the thread was closed due to what was being said about the Cadets, as much as it was closed due to the way that some of the people associated with Madison were conducting themselves. It was not positive or constructive, and making personal attacks in a public forum of this nature really isn't the best idea. It's a matter best handled privately. Wow good thing the CE Forum was closed huh! By way of clarification, people for whatever reason are passionate about drum corps. The "bombs" were thrown not by anyone associated with Madison but people who are supporters or fans of Scouts and Scott Stewart, but it was easily matched by some of the near libel that was coming from the other side of the argument. So what I mean is lets not try to fob this one as just another example of those "crazy Madison fans" please. For proof just watch what happens the next time Cadets or some other perennial top 6er starts to falter. As much as I did find parts of the thread interesting, when it had degenerated into accusations and posters using each other's full names, I felt that certain lines of decency and protection of privacy online had been crossed. I was glad to see it closed so that those engaged in the debate can take it to a more private forum. Well problem is that when people make purported statements of fact, then people who dont see things the same way are going to feel obligated to respond. Edited July 3, 2007 by Scerpella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdaddy Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 The Scott Stewart thread wasn't mindless banter. It was some serious stuff. The thread closure shows that DCP doesn't have the balls to host such a discussion. Agreed. Not only that, but if one side makes claims, the other side should be able to counter in a public forum. There's the potential to "slander" someone and let the thread close, giving a poor impression about the slandered individual. (I use "slandered" here not in the legal term, but to say that only a single side of the story could be told... and there are always multiple perspectives on the same story) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistofflies Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 (edited) Wow good thing the CE Forum was closed huh! By way of clarification, people for whatever reason are passionate about drum corps. The "bombs" were thrown not by anyone associated with Madison but people who are supporters or fans of Scouts and Scott Stewart, but it was easily matched by some of the near libel that was coming from the other side of the argument. I understand that people are passionate about corps, I marched. Maybe I got confused, but I saw at least 3 people who claimed close association with the corps during the era in question. And the fact is, the way they were conducting themselves, by engaging in personal attacks, goes against the TOS of this website. Additionally, the thread itself was full of disparaging comments about the state of the corps today. That on top of the developing mud-slinging fest really doesn't go far towards protecting the dignity of the organization and the kids on the field, don't you think? That's why I'm glad it was closed. I was reading it and thinking "Man, I love Madison. They're a great organization, and the first drum corps that made me want to march. But I hate seeing all of this drama and immaturity pulling the name of the Scouts down into the mud." So what I mean is lets not try to fob this one as just another example of those "crazy Madison fans" please. For proof just watch what happens the next time Cadets or some other perennial top 6er starts to falter. I didn't mean anything of the sort. Well problem is that when people make purported statements of fact, then people who dont see things the same way are going to feel obligated to respond. I understand that. I don't have a problem with that. Edited July 3, 2007 by mistofflies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassop Posted July 3, 2007 Author Share Posted July 3, 2007 The Scott Stewart thread wasn't mindless banter. It was some serious stuff. The thread closure shows that DCP doesn't have the balls to host such a discussion. Bingo. Well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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