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And they have chosen to be inclusive and include women. It is done. For a good (stated) reason. Now is the time for all good men (and women) to support the Madison Scouts.

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Nope, I'll continue to supports DCI and my favorite corps. I think they are doing well and entertaining me and providing an educational service to the MMs.

This. I still do not think that the Cadets provide any motivation for sacking the queen. And later she becomes a peasant and rallies all the other peasants who overthrew her. ??? Am I supposed to find some external description of this show that explains it? I'm not sure the show itself gives any motivation for itself. Or, (possibly), I'm all wet and everyone else "get's it" and I am being dense.

I think what we would wish for in all of our relationships is "equality of opportunity". That is what I took from the BOD's statement.

1 Bluecoats 84.900 2 Santa Clara Vanguard 84.000 3 The Cadets 79.000 4 Blue Stars 77.750 5 Crossmen 76.650 6 Colts 72.600 7 The Academy 71.900 8 Madison Scouts 70.050

First, I have no dog in this hunt. Or only tendentially, as: I love the enterprise of Drum Corps and the opportunities it offers to youth. I come on this late. I might have seen a drum corps show in 1997 when my youngest son dragged me to it. I thought it was kinda neat. Come the next summer, after he finished his 1st year in HS he got a call from a director asking if he wanted to tour with them that summer. It was a lower ranking Div I corps that was doing the week before tour in our home town. He wanted to and we saw no reason to not let him. I did speak with the director for an hour or so. He seemed to have a good summer, we didn’t hear from him too much, but my folks never hear from me much either, that’s growing up. A year later he wanted to tryout for his dream corps. It was nearby so we encouraged him to go the camp and he traveled that summer with his dream corps. He never competed in DCI again. His marimba teacher advised against it, beating up marimbas was not a good thing, and his parents wanted him to develop other skills, like working and earning to pay his way. But the Drum Corps experience never left him. Several years later, he joined the staff of his dream corps and still travels and teaches with that corps and we follow DCI, and his corps along with our home town corps. I was a Boy Scout, received my Eagle on my 16th birthday and have stayed somewhat involved with the Scouting program. And the Scouting program has dealt with the issue of allowing girls and women into the program. I stayed active in the then Exploring program after Scouts, and soon after I turned 21 and no longer could participate as a youth, they started allowing girls (young women) into the Explorer program. The program became (I think) the Venture Scouts. Recently the Boy Scout program proper has decided to allow girls into the program. And it has been met with controversy. Many people I know, especially those who attained the rank of Eagle, have pushed back. Many of my friends have pushed back. I know the deep-felt desire to keep the program “all male”. I generally support these decisions of the BSA. The BSA does have and has had other problems, and going coed with the Explorer program and now the the Scout program does not address those issues. They are independent and must be dealt with independently. Watching and reading this forum and the others like it in the past couple of years, I see a number of issues and they seem to overlap and are not clearly kept separate. Let’s see if I can sort the various issues apart, without (for now) taking a side on any of them. There are some who consider the “tradition” or “brand” of the Madison Scouts to consist in (at least) a) being all male; b) having a specific uniform; and c) a certain “swagger” that the Madison Scouts demonstrated historically. This may be expressed by Scerpella “Probably the majority of unrest is coming from the 70's-90's veterans who apart from the two world championships were never that far out of the running. Personally, I don't care if some non alumni doesn't like the idea of superman suits because it wasn't meant for you...ever. Every corps has its own tradition and way of characterizing itself. That was ours, it was our way of saying to ourselves when we suit up we are heroes. Don't know what your group did, but I am fairly certain others from outside your group may have found fault with it.” There are some who do not like the current management for various reasons. There are some who do not like the current show. There are some who do not like the current uniforms/costumes. There are some who do not like the uniform/costume of the featured female soloist. There may be more, but I’m not sure I’ve isolated any of them. Now the BOD of the corps has made a decision to go coed. Their stated reason was that it was the extension of the Madison Scouts to be inclusive. I have no reason to not believe them. This is surely a good reason. Many have suggested that there are other reasons, to deflect, or to better recruit, or whatever. This are probably less good reasons. And, I doubt that going co-ed will help these issues at all. Note, everyone wants the MMs to have a great time, to learn a lot, and enjoy their season. And everyone believes that the MMs are doing their best in presenting this show to the audiences and judges. Let us not forget this.

I'm both A and B.

I'd keep them in the 60s with Beach Boys "Pet Sounds".

1 Bluecoats 82.600 2 Santa Clara Vanguard 81.950 3 The Cavaliers 79.050 4 The Cadets 78.000 5 Blue Stars 76.400 6 Colts 72.250 7 The Academy 68.850

I've got the same earworms I had in the mid to late 60s.

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humm, something strange in your first two points. Ok you see SCV over Bluecoats - fine I don't agree, but many would agree with you But you want the "underappreciated" Cavaliers about 2 points from the top (SCV)? and 4 points above the others (BD, BC, Crusaders, Boston)? Note that the Cavaliers are already just over 2 points from SCV already. So how do you really see the rest of the "top 6" at this time? SCV, Cavies, ??, ??, ??, ??. ? Cadets/Blue Stars .. I'm not sure, but you sure could be right if Cadets don't make some major changes. I totally agree about Academy (I root for my home town team). I really like the changes they have made and wish them well. (I have them 12th overall at the end of the season. Many will disagree with this.)

Sorry, I was confused. I had the belief that the MAX score for Music was 30.00 (20x3)/2. But I guess with 5 judges it gets screwed up.

Take a look at current year - World Class - Music Total SCV last score is 31.5 others are also mixed up I have not looked at other captions

And the reports are that Cavaliers are equally audience entertaining. Is a good year.

1 Bluecoats 81.800 2 Boston Crusaders 79.950 3 The Cadets 76.650 4 Music City 65.550 5 Jersey Surf 63.950

Yeah, you are right my math messed up. I like the Cavies show and the way it relates to the audience. The season will get interesting when the 3 groups start combining this Friday.

No, part of Bluebird was played before, then they started with that again.

I believe that all we can know at this point is: In the EAST: Bluecoats > Boston > Cadets In the MIDWEST: Crown > Blue Stars > Crossmen In the West SCV and/or Devils > Cavies > Mandarins The next week or so should give us some idea how these all "fit together" Not enough information on BK for me to speculate.

Thank you for the review.

Any reason why SVC Academy etc. Are not included in the July 2 rankings?

Really tough to say until we get some cross-pollination. Starting July 5th we start to see those on the west coast tour coming east.

hummm, 6-21 delta with SVC 2.15 6-22 delta with SVC 2.0 6-23 delta with SVC 2.2 6-28 delta with SVC 2.2 6-29 delta with SVC 2.7 6-30 delta with SVC 2.45 7-01 delta with SVC 2.6