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OK Nikk, so they were within 1.95 Does that put them in contention or out of it??

Thanks Dan. I'm listening to it now - you should have told us that DCP got a shout-out from Rick Valenzuela during this Field Pass! Of course, he also mentioned RAMD, so.....

Please please PLEASE, Dave and Wayne, make something like this happen!!

Correct Correct - you gotta admit the Ott flag was an emotional moment :sshh:

"Um, hi - Spirit? Yeah - this is the Colts. Just wanted to let you know we're on the move. Remember that thing you pulled in 2003 at semi's in order to leap BK by .15 and make finals? Um, yeah, you better watch out for yourselves this year."

I was JUST about to post something about this. My post was going to say something like *cough*PHANTOM*cough* Heck, if Madison turns it on, they'd have to change the ad to say "See the top two, plus #5!"

I agree. I find myself listening to VERY LITTLE post-95 BD on Season Pass. 2000 and 1998 are OK, but that's about it for me. I was excited when I heard they were doing Ragtime in 2002, but it ended up sounding like everything else. I love 1985 BD, plus 86 and 81. I wish we could hear more of that. Or maybe they could just play F tuning for 11 minutes....

6 votes for the Bluecoats and 5 for the Blue Devils?? Seriously? This reveals two things: 1) The Bloo Borg is in full effect - some who voted for Bloo probably ACTUALLY think that the Bluecoats can win it all this year. I mean, this is probably their best show ever, and in a few years maybe, but I don't see them even gaining 5th, let alone first this year. Sheesh. 2) People are underestimating the Blue Devils. I've listened to the APD, seen the clips, and watched the video from Europe - I personally don't like the show at all, but this is BD, y'all. If anyone could make up 3.5 points and blow the roof off Foxboro, it's them.

PR 05 at Indy is the highest placement at a top-12 show for a corps NOT named BD, Cavies, Cadets, or SCV since when? Finals 1996? Has anyone else been in the top 3 since then?

((Brings debate back to topic listed in subject line)) It is funny to me that this whole argument started over two different parts of the Cavies show. The "screaming" in question is at the 9:30 mark. The "horrible note" is at the 8:45 mark. Two different solos (although maybe the same guy?) Anyway, to get back to the point - is that a note at the 9:30 mark, or is that a whistle in the stands? If it's a sop playing that note, it is the most impressive thing I've ever heard coming out of a soprano (er.. trumpet). If it's a gliss-then-a-whistle, well, nevermind....

I can't stop listening to: Crown Madison I listen to a bunch: SCV Cadets Cavies Phantom Boston I can't get into: BD Glassmen BK Spirit

Hmmmm.... it's the night before the big show. Thought I'd bump my own poll and see what people think.....

It was this weekend, 2 years ago, that was their coming out party. After finishing back in the pack for most of the early 03 season, they finished 10th in San Antonio and everyone went They haven't looked back since.

85 Suncoast 90 Star 90 Cavies 92 SCV 97 Cadets 98 Cadets 99 SCV 00 Cavies 02 Crossmen 02 Cascades 03 Phantom 04 Cavies

In my opinion, this post is another attempt by the Bluecoat borg to get us all to think they are better than they really are this year. :P In all seriousness, I do think the Bluecoats score this weekend will see a bit of a dip, and I don't think it will have anything to do with performance order (although it will be presented that way). Watching the scores the past few weeks, their score has dipped a bit at the major competitions. Case in point: 7/2 Menasha 80.6 7/9 Columbia 80.8 (a week later) or 7/13 Dublin - 84.10 7/15 Kalamazoo - 83.00 Given their 86.95 last night, I'm expecting about an 85.5 this weekend, not a 90. And it will have nothing to do with performance order and have everything to do with scores being a bit more "modest" for middle-of-the-pack corps at major competitions. There - that should be enough to get the Bluecoat borg all in a tizzy.

1. Cavies 2. Cadets 3. Madison 4. BD 5. Phantom 6. Bluecoats 7. Crown 8. SCV 9. Boston 10. Glassmen 11. BK 12. Colts

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Cadets 4th?? I see it this way: Cavies Cadets BD Madison Phantom Bluecoats Crown SCV BAC Glassmen Colts BK

I'm voting for Cavies, Cadets, and BD. It's about time that somebody broke up the top two stranglehold...

I enjoyed these for one reason - a tape of 1985 Suncoast, discovered among my deceased father's things, is the reason that I am a drum corps junkie today. I popped the tape in some time during the summer of 1994, and haven't stop listening to it since. I think I want to be buried with it.....

I'll second that. I just watched 1990 Cavies 11 consecutive times last night on the DVD. With the surround sound jacked up to 11. 1990 had to be the best "yell" year ever, BTW. From "It's a can of corn, Cavies!" to "Oh my god the baby's burning!" during Star, the crowd entertained me that year too...

The set up I went to the Alton show last night with 3 people - 2 first timers (one with high school band marching experience, the other with zero musical experience), and a third guy with some drum corps knowledge (he's a sax player in his college marching band). For ease of typing purposes, HSB will be "High School Band guy", Newbie will be the guy with no musical experience, and College will be the sax guy. The setting Alton, Illinois public school stadium. Alton is about 25 minutes north of St. Louis. It's an old river town set right on the Mississippi river. The town is built on the bluffs above the river, and the stadium has some pretty good topography, setting up as a nice "bowl". The weather was PERFECT - 75 degrees and no humidity (which is SO RARE in St. Louis this time of year). My seat was right on the 50 four rows from the top - again, PERFECT. The Kingsmen Not much to say here - they were a very small corp (9 brass, 8 percussion, 5 guard) from Joliet Illinois. Some cool dance moves from the drum major, a nice little groove from the tenor player, and a decent solo in "I believe I can fly" were just about all I remember. HSB didn't know what to think, Newbie wasn't sure if all of the corps were going to be this small, and College applauded politely. Pioneer I really enjoyed Pioneer's show. They were playing Holsinger, which is always great, and they had a better sound than I remembered. The battery impressed me this time around - they were much more solid than I remembered from Pioneer in the past. My favorite part was probably the "stare-down" from the drum major after the salute - pursed lips, one eyebrow raised, scanning back and forth through the crowd bobbing his head up and down. Great attitude. Newbie really liked the stare-down, HSB still didn't know why College had been talking about this drum corps show all week, and College again applauded politely. Bluecoats Bloooooooooo!!! I really liked the show. Very fresh, good horn book, solid in every caption. First great "hit" of the night had everyone I was with sit up and take notice. I probably enjoyed the opener (Time to Take Back the Knights) the best. Their show is entitled "Capture and Escape", and the theme came through really well. At the first big rifle toss, Newbie sat up in his seat and started to smile - a smile wouldn't really leave for the rest of the night. College was confused by the Mello player that started to run off the field (only to turn back and "fall in"), but you have to excuse him - he's a college marching band guy. But the best reaction was HSB. (This needs it's own paragraph) HSB had that look about him after the Bluecoats show. You know that look - the "I didn't know something like this existed in the world" look. The "how can I see that show again?" look. The "I don't know it yet, but I'm about to spend the next 35 years traveling around to shows, buying CDs and DVDs, and using phrases like "once they clean..." and "counter-melodic content" look. After moments of silence, he looked at College and said (and this is an exact quote) "I..I...never knew something like this existed. That....was....amazing". Crossmen WOW!! Let me say that again - WOW!! Way to go Bones - this was far and away my favorite show of the night. Difficult yet will executed drill? Check. Excellent hornline? Check. Fun show? Check. Had me on my feet for the first time? Check. I loved the fact that they brought back the drill move from the opener last year (from the other side of the field this time), and I absolutely loved Blue Rondo. I would LOVE to see them clean this show all the way to 6th. There was so much energy! This show garnered 4 or 5 "yelps" from College, a standing, cheering, "I can't believe I'm acting this way" from HSB, and a "Darnit - after years of making fun of you for your drum corps obsession, now I'M going to be a drum corps nut" look from Newbie. X-men had people stading at the end of St. James Club, Blue Rondo, AND Count Bubba - that NEVER happens at the Alton show. Again, way to go, Bones. I've admittedly never been a huge fan. Until now. Boston (Letdown alert!) OK, here's my disclaimer - after getting that excited for the Crossmen, I'm bound to have a letdown. And Boston provided that. I'm not saying that it wasn't a good show - it was. I loved the drum feature (with the tenors putting on snares), and Malaguena was cool. But it felt a little too Blast-like, especially the ending (Malaguena into a Bolero reprise with a single drum in the middle - where have I seen that before?) Maybe they were trying to do that - I don't know. I will say this - they were alot cleaner than Crossmen or Bluecoats, which surprised me given the illness-set-back-the-season-opener thing. All in all, had they gone on first, I would have liked the show alot better. But when the crowd goes from leaping to their feet in applause to politely clapping, you can't help but be swayed by the letdown factor. College, HSB, and Newbie were all enjoying themselves by now, so they didn't seem to be as swayed by the "letdown factor" as I was. So I'll say this - I didn't particularly like Boston at Alton last year, and then I loved them in Indy, so I'll place my hopes on that. Cadets I'm one of those drum corps fans that has grumbled about the "Big 4" over the past few years, hoping that someone would break up the stranglehold. And then I see one of the "Big 4", and I remember - they're simply noticably better in every aspect. Cleaner sound, cleaner drill, cleaner "feel" to the show - you know what I'm talking about. The "Favorite Things" opener didn't bother me as much as I thought it would - I guess the fact that they added the salute helps - and the crowd seemed to enjoy the bonus material. Malaguena rocked, RPH rolled, and the crowd had a great time. College liked them a ton, Newbie still had a silly grin on his face, and HSB couldn't believe the marching skill "They're, like, all on the same foot ALL the time!" Good job Cadets - I'm not sure if this show has the GE to take it all, but I certainly enjoyed your favorite things. Scores Cadets 84.XX Boston 79.XX Bluecoats 78.XX Crossmen 77.XX Pioneer 63.XX The crowd seemed a little upset at the Crossmen placing 4th - there were even shouts of "recount!", which is very rare for the typically conservative Alton crowd. Newbie thought that Crossmen had the best show, College like the Cadets best, and HSB was still mumbling something about "I didn't know that something like this existed", so I didn't get his vote. All of us were standing and cheering during the encore, that's for sure. Some guy in the front yelled "hurt me!" as they were setting up. Hurt us they did. The sheer volume and intensity of Malaguena was something I've never experienced, let alone Newbie or HSB. College summed it up best - "I know you have a full car, but can I stow away in your trunk so I can go to the Indy show??"