Liam Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I'm still curious about everyone's take on the water proposal. It's interesting that there isn't any discussion going on about that one. First water was allowed, then it wasn't, and now it's maybe alowed again. I'm not sure which way is moving backwards and which way is moving forwards anymore -- seems to me that DCI (instructors, directors, whatever) are continually examing this issue to see what works best. Why has all this back and forth gotten a pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corps-mudgeon Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I disagree. They are not positive in any way, inc group dynamics. Please disregard my comments about bando-fication, which might be distracting your attention from my main point. Going back to my post prior to the one you quoted, I discussed how individuals might react to proposals based on factors beyond the actual content of the proposal. And in the post you quoted, I was just making the point that putting an anti-amp message in proposal form has the potential to solicit a different reaction from the group than the same message posed as an informal comment spoken against a formal pro-amp proposal. The positive energy of a proposal as compared to the negative energy of a rebuttal. The message context can make a difference. If you don't like the terms positive and negative, proactive and reactive will suffice for me. I wasn't attempting to impart a value judgment in my terminology, any more than the positive and negative terminals on a battery have any inherent goodness or badness. But separate from my point on group dynamics, I still like the proposals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rut-roh Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I'm still curious about everyone's take on the water proposal. It's interesting that there isn't any discussion going on about that one. First water was allowed, then it wasn't, and now it's maybe alowed again. I'm not sure which way is moving backwards and which way is moving forwards anymore -- seems to me that DCI (instructors, directors, whatever) are continually examing this issue to see what works best. Why has all this back and forth gotten a pass? It's Adolf Hitler's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 It's Adolf Hitler's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Bari Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 It's Adolf Hitler's fault. Actually, it's my fault. I have been secretly using George Hopkins in a mind-control experiment to perfect my device that will install the Fourth Reich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedawn Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 If that small point is too obtuse for you to understand, I have nothing further to say. ok lets resolve this with this: i'm an obtuse idiot. and you compared george hopkins to a mass-murderer to prove a half-baked premise that very few people care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 You forgot the IMO. Twice, actually. But again, as no one has proposed reviewing any of those other changes, I don't see why you bring them up in this context. Why not? As I said, they are all items that improve drum corps...and yes, it's MHO. Removing any of them is regressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Please disregard my comments about bando-fication, which might be distracting your attention from my main point.Going back to my post prior to the one you quoted, I discussed how individuals might react to proposals based on factors beyond the actual content of the proposal. And in the post you quoted, I was just making the point that putting an anti-amp message in proposal form has the potential to solicit a different reaction from the group than the same message posed as an informal comment spoken against a formal pro-amp proposal. The positive energy of a proposal as compared to the negative energy of a rebuttal. The message context can make a difference. If you don't like the terms positive and negative, proactive and reactive will suffice for me. I wasn't attempting to impart a value judgment in my terminology, any more than the positive and negative terminals on a battery have any inherent goodness or badness. OK...got you now. But separate from my point on group dynamics, I still like the proposals. And I still hate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumCorpsFan27 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hey no need to go crazy on the rollbacks.....At least let me use my 1 valver Hey, 3-valves are just an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 It is useless to engage you on the topic, as you obviously weren't grasping the point after two tries. I am not going to let this thread turn into a debate on the barbarity of Nazi Germany.Defending Hopkins' from claims of having an ulterior motive by merely saying that he works within the DCI system is the same as defending Hitler because he worked within the system of the Weimar Republic to achieve his ulterior motive. Not that their motives are the same, not that their results are the same. If that small point is too obtuse for you to understand, I have nothing further to say. You were the one who turned this into a discussion about Hitler, so we need not let lie your over-simplification and outright mistakes. No one should misunderstand Hitler’s history as you’ve presented it. Hitler was not a genius politician as you would have us believe. He was a thug who led a band of thugs to power by intimidation and criminal manipulation. Your effort to sanitize this history should stop. (Read my previous post disputing his version of history.) And to be sure, you’re welcome to think me obtuse if indeed you actually do have nothing further to say on this topic., HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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