Bruckner8 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) More setup time? Hogwash. Setup time is a function of the venue and the people in charge of turning the corps around. If anything, I'd be all for proposals that make it SHORTER, even if that precludes certain venues. Working within limits is a talent unto itself. Start a different activity. Call it Marching Menagerie. Invite only 4 "ensembles" (don't dare call it drum corps), and give each ensemble 30 minutes to put on their show. Be sure to program the commercials, too, so it's ready-made for TV. An entire season of TV can be made with each episode dedicated to a different show. Each ensemble would have to hire a TV producer (Hop's original calling?). It would be run like a Reality TV show. Edited January 21, 2010 by Bruckner8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) The Hopkins proposal is lame, sucks hard I think his use of the word creative is ironic So corps that doesn’t want a pre-show gets panelized and therefore pre-shows are mandatory? That’s the way I read it Audience impact is claimed to be ‘more interesting’ kind of like a car crash is interesting? What about more boring because they spend 1/3 of their time setting up and more annoying because they’ll use a bunch of junk that I don’t really want to see on the field So contest directors get to submit proposal? Who else? Why don’t fans get a say Edited January 21, 2010 by cowtown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Absolutely - the Hopkins proposal is a backdoor to woodwinds.Frankly, I think corps could use woodwinds in their pre-shows now. You're right. There is nothing in the rules that preclude non-legal instruments as part of the pre-show. The corps I teach actually discussed doing something along these lines last summer, but ultimately decided not to for creative reasons. As long as the non-legal instruments were never touched during the judges show, no rule would have been broken. George's clause in the proposal would just codify the anything-goes rule that's not expressly prohibited now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Why don’t fans get a say How many proposals did you personally submit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyboo Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 The Hopkins proposal is lame, sucks hardI think his use of the word creative is ironic So corps that doesn’t want a pre-show gets panelized and therefore pre-shows are mandatory? That’s the way I read it Audience impact is claimed to be ‘more interesting’ kind of like a car crash is interesting? What about more boring because they spend 1/3 of their time setting up and more annoying because they’ll use a bunch of junk that I don’t really want to see on the field So contest directors get to submit proposal? Who else? Why don’t fans get a say You do get a say. Stay home or go to DCA like I've been doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Hey, dustyboo; are we related? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 If we can get the "gotta have saxophones, light shows, etc" itch out with the Hop proposal, then fine. You have time now to do whatever you want creatively to set a mood, and then hit us with some brass sound.However, if this is some sort of end-around to get woodwinds, flamethrowers etc out there . . .with this pre-show rule passing and the rationale a few years later as . . . "it's already out there in the pre-show, so let's legalize it", then . . .well, I guess the slippery slope argument has merit. I want to believe the former, but I have an inkling that by 2015, it'll be the latter. look for setting up, especially with the pit, an extra minute is huge in this cords running everywhere age. but to be able to use woodwinds and stuff is pure smokescreen. this needs to fail miserably, like 22-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawker Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 George's clause in the proposal would just codify the anything-goes rule that's not expressly prohibited now. Do you feel like that reinforcement, if it occurs, makes it easier to move "anything goes" into the judged portion? Is there support for that sort of thing at the instructors caucus level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobrien Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Oh joy, MORE time between performances - just what the fans in the stands have been asking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Absolutely - the Hopkins proposal is a backdoor to woodwinds.Frankly, I think corps could use woodwinds in their pre-shows now. His proposal introduces two differences, one being the change from 17 to 18 minute time slots, the other being the extension of GE judging to a portion of performance not governed by rules regarding instrumentation. Then he'll come back in 2011, arguing how they're already on the field, they're already being judged, so just let them in the rest of the show. By the way, this three-minute no-rules phase....would the age rule not apply? Could more than 150 perform then? Pyrotechnics? i agree on the GE judges at the 3:01 point...that will lead to "if you don't do it it will hurt the scores". of course, as always "it isn't mandatory" is in there, but we all know how that line has worked for Bb, amps etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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