blue_devil_fan9903 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Darn!!!!! You beat me to it LOL. Go BD!!! lol. I was calmly waiting until tonight. Still anyone's game, the lead isn't the big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper282000 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 lol. I was calmly waiting until tonight. Still anyone's game, the lead isn't the big. I totally agree with you bro. Its far from over. I am just happy to see BD making this late season run. Minus this tie that just happened, this season reminds me so much of 2003 when Cavies came storming outta the gate that year. Only to see BD past them in late July and never look back. But everyone should be afraid of the Cadets. That show is BEAST!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somerville Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 And Debbie wasn't even judging this show. How the heck did that happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinastick Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Wow. BD isnt even close to Cavaliers in visual design (or Cadets for that matter). Thats a laughable score. I would love to hear more about why you feel BD's visual design is not "close" to Cavaliers or Cadets. This is not a loaded question, I'm am genuinely interested to hear your opinion. I'm trying to find out what makes a good visual package to the average drum corp fan and am no way trying to bait you into an argument. (I find way too many "impassioned" post in this forum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinastick Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Wait. What? Crown is doing a college marching band show (see Western Carolina from last year). They are doing a fantastic job at it and it is very entertaining, but not a lot of new territory there. The fact that their show does not have a lot of risk or depth is why they will probably not win, because they perform VERY well. Cadets are not doing ANYTHING new this year. The most innovative thing they are doing is the two uniforms on the field, which was done by the 1987 Skyryders. Still a great show, but nothing new from them. BD is copying the formulas that they have used the last few years. 2010, very innovative. Tons of Risk. 2011 is derivative. Also, they stand around while playing A LOT. Not a lot of risk when you stand stand still and play as much as they do. Cavaliers do have similar looking drill every year because it is Michael Gaines. He has a certain personality and style as does Leon May, Jeff Sacktig, Jay Murphey, Myron Rosander, & Pete Weber (among others). This year The cavaliers are doing lots of things that have never been done before and that is why they are getting rewarded even when they get outperformed. Anyways, as far as the topic is concerned, I don't think Debbie has anything against The Cavaliers. She does slam a few groups from time to time. I have heard Crown folks and maybe even some cadets folks talk about how she HATES them, so it is not exclusive to one corps. Honestly, I think people go after some judges and talk about their biases on here too much. Are there some weak judges out there? Yes, but I don't think judges go into shows purposely wanting to screw over one specific team. If they do, they don't last long. Now with all of that being said, I think she is fairly unpleasant as an adjudicator. Her demeanor and her tapes come across as harsh to lots of groups, so I can see why she gets labeled the way she does, even if it is not entirely accurate. What innovations do you see in Cavalier's show this season? Are they musical, visual, or both? Please describe specific moments where these moments happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBear Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 What innovations do you see in Cavalier's show this season? Are they musical, visual, or both? Please describe specific moments where these moments happen. Do you seriously don't see anything innovative about their show? I guess visual innovation gets old after awhile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBear Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 What was that you said? 1 Blue Devils 93.150 1 The Cadets 93.150 3 The Cavaliers 92.400 4 Carolina Crown 91.350 5 Phantom Regiment 88.400 6 Santa Clara Vanguard 87.450 7 Bluecoats 87.200 8 Blue Stars 84.100 Oh darn. Do you want a rubber cookie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piper Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Maybe it's just menopause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud24dc Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Debbie judging visual ensemble and serving as chief judge tonight in ATL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxfreq1128 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Do you seriously don't see anything innovative about their show? I guess visual innovation gets old after awhile. My usual take on it is that, within the context of the broader activity, Cavies are always among the most innovative corps on the field. But within the context of their own history, no, I wouldn't say that this show does anything that I wouldn't have expected the Cavaliers to be capable of doing or designing. I find the show surprising and interesting within its own 11.5 minute context, but in the broader scheme of things I wouldn't say there are any surprises. But do there really need to be? Not every show has to be a Cavs 02 (genuinely new) or a PR 08 (a great corps surpassing even itself) to be great. The fact of Cadets' breakneck closer drill is never really a shocker in itself, but that doesn't make the performance any less exciting. I feel the same about the Cavs show this year. I'd love to see them do some weird revision of their own style (like BD last year), but I'm also quite content with what they're already doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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