HPUEuph Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 On another note, because my family is from Hawaii, it would put a world of hurt in Vegas and the Indian casinos if the Native Hawaiian started up casinos. They're just as indigenous . . . Really, you had to bring up the Hawaii issue of Hawaiians not being considered indigenous by the USA? I don't think that comment regardless of anyone's opinion on the issue was needed to support your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedawn Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I think we are going in circles here. You make an argument ... I poke a whole in it ... you make a different argument ... I poke a whole in that one too ... you go back to the first argument. This isn't fun anymore. I hate when people poke wholes in my arguments. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splooie99 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Another issue that I am not sure came up is the Pacific NW corps start later because of the school schedule. For example, OR & WA schools let out the end of the first or second week of June. I am not sure about CA schools, but in the NW, it would be difficult to have a reasonably good product to go anywhere until the last week of June. It is the unfortunate thing we must deal with every year. Another issue in the Pacific NW is Regional Stadiums are not well suited for Drum corps. Maybe the Seahawks stadium in Seattle, but that is a long way from CA. LOL Its just the luck of location and outside factors for the Pacific NW. If there was a major regional in Northern CA on the last weekend of June, I bet the NW corps would make the trip.Oh Well. Nice to dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsefton Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I am happy that even a few corps come out west. What a treat to see Phantom! It earns them alot of good will and fans.. The CA shows are packed and great fun. Our Open Class corps are stepping up and so enjoyable. I really like it the way it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasgre2000 Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 You seen their books? Have you seen how much money they make in bingo? It pretty much has financed SCV's winter programs, and them getting a new truck. You can't tell me that those bingo programs aren't raising them money. Yes, they do other programs (System Blue, Community Dance Project, Diablo Wind Symphony) but it is a HUGE contributor, that other corps don't have available to them. Most states do not allow gambling in them, so there is no way for the corps to a bingo program to fundraise Where did I say they weren't raising them money? I said other corps could come up with similar creative ways to fundraise. Quit complaining and start thinking outside the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasgre2000 Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 I hate when people poke wholes in my arguments. LOL! Touche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasgre2000 Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Another issue that I am not sure came up is the Pacific NW corps start later because of the school schedule. For example, OR & WA schools let out the end of the first or second week of June. I am not sure about CA schools, but in the NW, it would be difficult to have a reasonably good product to go anywhere until the last week of June. It is the unfortunate thing we must deal with every year. Another issue in the Pacific NW is Regional Stadiums are not well suited for Drum corps. Maybe the Seahawks stadium in Seattle, but that is a long way from CA. LOL Its just the luck of location and outside factors for the Pacific NW. If there was a major regional in Northern CA on the last weekend of June, I bet the NW corps would make the trip.Oh Well. Nice to dream. What about Autzen or Husky stadiums? They would be fine. It doesn't have to be a pro stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsubone Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 What about Autzen or Husky stadiums? They would be fine. It doesn't have to be a pro stadium. Autzen is nice to perform in, and nothing else. The warm-up sites were terrible, parking sucked, and there wasn't much around it. It was suited for a small show, which sucks given how big that stadium is. I think DCI has only been there once, and I think there was a show at Husky Stadium in 2007 if I remember that tour right. If people think dome acoustics are bad, try a northwest stadium with an overhang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsubone Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Where did I say they weren't raising them money? I said other corps could come up with similar creative ways to fundraise. Quit complaining and start thinking outside the box. I'm not complaining. I'm from california, I've performed in and watched early season shows every year since 05. I know what it's like. But it's a reality. We can all lobby for Finals to come back out to California or Denver after 2017, but it probably won't change until then, unless they turn Denver into a regional, which is unlikely. Other corps fund-raise as well, by sponsoring shows through the summer and fall. If they decided to come out west like you want, they would have to give up those shows, and all of the associated revenue. Which would be bad for those corps barely limping along financially. I know bingo is the backbone of SCV's fundraising base, I thought it was more of BD's, but I realize they have BDE and System Blue working for them. The loss of a bingo program directly effected the Freelancers, and led to their disappearance in the early 90s 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadorj Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) Some interesting information - if you look at the corps that competed at last years DCI World Championship Semi-Finals (2011) it is pretty evenly divided between those corps East of the Mississippi and those corps West of the Mississippi. If you remove Teal Sound (based on this year) it is evenly divided (12 for each coast). The midway point of the DCI Season is the DCI Southwest Regionals (San Antonio) which is currently the last show West of the Mississippi. Those drum corps fans from the West must now travel east ($$$) to see their favorite corps compete from the midway point of the season to Finals (seems unfair to them). If more shows were held West near season's end it seems either way, half of the corps would still have to travel to the opposite coast to compete. It seems only fair that DCI should divide or change every other year so that all corps can complete in their home territory (one year east and one year west) and not just put the travel burden on just the West Coast corps to travel east. If more Regional shows were West of the Mississippi (midyear to Finals every other year) then DCI would also pick up a whole new Fan Base (Market) and that, to me, would be a win-win situation. The days when it was only the Troopers/SCV/Anaheim/BD traveling east are gone - there are many more West coast corps in DCI and all are having to travel east to compete. Just an observation. East of the Mississippi – 13 Corps Cadets Cavaliers Crown Phantom Regiment Bluecoats Boston Crusaders Madison Scouts Blue Stars Spirit of Atlanta Glassmen Colts Teal Sound Jersey Surf West of the Mississippi – 12 Corps Blue Devils Santa Clara Vanguard Blue Knights Troopers The Academy Crossmen Pacific Crest Blue Devils B Mandarins Oregon Crusaders Vanguard Cadets Cascades Edited July 30, 2012 by amadorj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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