Fran Haring Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Whoever scores highest, wins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovindrumcorps Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 "Whats more interesting is that the percussion judge popped that mid-august number with 2 corps still to perform.. So if CV and Cabs were both better you would have had a corps scoring in the top of the percussion box on july 12th!!" Which was my point of mentioning that number. I wonder if there is a trend with this judge to make such controversial statements? And is he usually only favorable to one particular corps? Who REALLY would pop an 18.2 in mid July with two corps left to perform? Unless he knew he never intended to fairly view the last two corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donincardona Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I don't think the ME problems really have that much to do with the percussion score. It is extremely difficult to hear ensemble issues when your on the field focusing on a single section. Thats why there used to be an ensemble percussion guy in the stands. However, it is crazy to believe that from the field Bucs were 2pts better than Cabs and 1.2pts better than C2. Whats more interesting is that the percussion judge popped that mid-august number with 2 corps still to perform.. So if CV and Cabs were both better you would have had a corps scoring in the top of the percussion box on july 12th!! i don't buy that. i know this may or may not be relevent but in 1975 the percussion judges on the field were able to com stnad right with in 2-3 feet of the line. because of that they heard every tear and mistake. the nubers barely got above zero. mid season they were told to step back a couple of feet and the scores went up. so how that relates i don't really know. but the closer you are to drums the more you hear. farther back all you hear are the bigger mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donincardona Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Which was my point of mentioning that number. I wonder if there is a trend with this judge to make such controversial statements? And is he usually only favorable to one particular corps? Who REALLY would pop an 18.2 in mid July with two corps left to perform? Unless he knew he never intended to fairly view the last two corps. and that would be politics and it has always existed. and always will. they are the bucs and clearly will get the benefit of the doubt for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) i don't buy that. i know this may or may not be relevent but in 1975 the percussion judges on the field were able to com stnad right with in 2-3 feet of the line. because of that they heard every tear and mistake. the nubers barely got above zero. mid season they were told to step back a couple of feet and the scores went up. so how that relates i don't really know. but the closer you are to drums the more you hear. farther back all you hear are the bigger mistakes. They may have heard mistakes, but the sure as hell didn't hear tears at the field level. At least, not tears in the ensemble sense. No way, not in a million years. It's simple physics. Edited July 16, 2014 by Kamarag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donincardona Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 They may have heard mistakes, but the sure as hell didn't hear tears at the field level. At least, not tears in the ensemble sense. No way, not in a million years. well maybe we are talking about two different things. when a snare line falls apart you can hear that fuzz very well. when the snares and tonal drums are out of phase you can hear that. can't say about with the brass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovindrumcorps Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 i don't buy that. i know this may or may not be relevent but in 1975 the percussion judges on the field were able to com stnad right with in 2-3 feet of the line. because of that they heard every tear and mistake. the nubers barely got above zero. mid season they were told to step back a couple of feet and the scores went up. so how that relates i don't really know. but the closer you are to drums the more you hear. farther back all you hear are the bigger mistakes. Like I mentioned, I am no adjudicator. I have spent time on the field however, and listening responsibilities for corps in 1975 apposed to 2014 are vastly different. If any judge is sampling any section at any given time today, he is running while doing it. Standing there isn't an option much these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) well maybe we are talking about two different things. when a snare line falls apart you can hear that fuzz very well. when the snares and tonal drums are out of phase you can hear that. can't say about with the brass. Ok, yea, two different things. Your snare example isn't a tear, it's just a small section timing error, and obviously within the percussion judge's preview. But when you have the percussion section spread out, he cannot talk about timing issues across the battery (there are some exceptions, based on form and stage) or ever discuss pit to battery timing or balance. When the brass judge was on the field, the same rules applied. Frankly, I'm glad DCA took the brass judge off the field last year. No, he won't hear the down and dirty stuff, but the trade off is that he's able to hear and consider brass balance and brass ensemble timing. And credit things happening in orchestration that he'd never hear from the field. Edited July 16, 2014 by Kamarag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovindrumcorps Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 and that would be politics and it has always existed. and always will. they are the bucs and clearly will get the benefit of the doubt for now. I do understand politics has a grasp on judging a show. But the statement that "ITS THE BUCS" is not a valid enough reason to drop them any number regardless of performance. If it was last season's corps playing last season show than who could argue. I don't but that they deserve any special favors because a different bunch of members last year did well in that uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I do understand politics has a grasp on judging a show. But the statement that "ITS THE BUCS" is not a valid enough reason to drop them any number regardless of performance. If it was last season's corps playing last season show than who could argue. I don't but that they deserve any special favors because a different bunch of members last year did well in that uniform. I always struggle with the whole "it's politics" thing. I'd like to think that the judging community, regardless of circuit, is filled with people of integrity...people who will not consider anything beyond the show of the day. Is that realistic? I don't know. I do think the "it's politics" argument gets bandied around a lot more than it probably should, and usually only by members/staff/fans of a corps that didn't do well, for whatever reason. Do I think some corps get the benefit of the doubt sometimes? Yes, I do. I think it happened at Wildwood, at least by a couple of judges. Is it right? No. If DCA does find politically motivated judges, I'd like to think they'd be sent packing post haste. This reminds me of a story from a critique a few band seasons ago (Jeff and I were on the same panel that night). A band director comes into the critique and starts laying into me and another music judge. Irate director: "You guys must really hate me. You slammed us, and it's all politics!" Me: "Who are you again?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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