fatbrassboy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Phantom Regiment got a very good audience reception to their show yesterday in Atlanta. Not all of them in attendance that were cheering were around in 2005 for Phantom's " Rhapsody " themed show. So for some of them, this years production is new and fresh to them. Others, that were around in 2005, like to hear similar music, see similar visual stuff that they enjoy. Nothing wrong with that either it seems to me. The 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's Rockers can still crank out big crowds, playing the same songs on tour they've played for 30-50 years straight running. Rhapsody wasn't the only repeat. Organ Symphony has been played several times in PR history. It's a classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbrassboy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 No, not really "'nuff said." You're not wrong about their success as a corps in historical terms, but the simple fact of the matter is that DCI is changing extremely quickly. A corps stuck trying to do things a specific way is going to start getting left behind, like Madison in the late 00s/early 10s. They changed (albeit, nostalgically, which worked for them), and they started getting back into finals consistently. If Phantom keeps doing what they've been doing, expecting them to flow back out of this low period isn't entirely rational. And despite the results of a corps, that doesn't change the fact that directors, design staff, and performance staff frequently change. For the last few years, Phantom has put together mediocre shows. That's a trend. Trends don't have to lend themselves to the history from which they stem. Just because Phantom has, historically, bounced around the top-nine or so, doesn't mean that a trend can't exist for them to be average or even mediocre. History doesn't buy the corps a free pass for putting together rather forgettable shows for five of the last seven years. "Forgettable shows for five of the last seven years"? Matter of opinion I guess. Maybe the souvie stand should be the judge, lol. Regiment had record sales for the Atlanta show last night. Somebody must like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbrassboy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) No, not really "'nuff said." You're not wrong about their success as a corps in historical terms, but the simple fact of the matter is that DCI is changing extremely quickly. A corps stuck trying to do things a specific way is going to start getting left behind, like Madison in the late 00s/early 10s. They changed (albeit, nostalgically, which worked for them), and they started getting back into finals consistently. If Phantom keeps doing what they've been doing, expecting them to flow back out of this low period isn't entirely rational. And despite the results of a corps, that doesn't change the fact that directors, design staff, and performance staff frequently change. For the last few years, Phantom has put together mediocre shows. That's a trend. Trends don't have to lend themselves to the history from which they stem. Just because Phantom has, historically, bounced around the top-nine or so, doesn't mean that a trend can't exist for them to be average or even mediocre. History doesn't buy the corps a free pass for putting together rather forgettable shows for five of the last seven years. "Nuff said" meaning that's all that matters to me. We can debate on some silly forum all we'd like, but only time will tell. People were talking the same way in the mid 80's, yet they went from 10th to 2nd in a matter of a few years. So far, so good I'd say. Edited July 26, 2015 by fatbrassboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousSoundbyte Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 "Nuff said" meaning that's all that matters to me. We can debate on some silly forum all we'd like, but only time will tell. So far, so good. #homer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbrassboy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 #homer Just the facts, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousSoundbyte Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Just the facts, sir. #homerstill Phantom is not some "see no evil, do no evil" corps. None of them are. They can sell as many shirts as they want, at the end of the day, this show is a mess, and it's like the staff had absolutely no desire to put together something that would put them in the top five. Edited July 26, 2015 by FuriousSoundbyte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbrassboy Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 #homerstill Phantom is not some "see no evil, do no evil" corps. None of them are. They can sell as many shirts as they want, at the end of the day, this show is a mess, and it's like the staff had absolutely no desire to put together something that would put them in the top five. Thanks for the compliment and I agree with you that no corps is perfect. I disagree with the idea that the staff didn't have the desire. That just seems silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 They can sell as many shirts as they want, at the end of the day, this show is a mess, and it's like the staff had absolutely no desire to put together something that would put them in the top five. Baseless assertions. Every staff works their butt off to get their respective shows to be as great as possible. Some are just way more talented than others. Hence why BD is always at the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousSoundbyte Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Baseless assertions. Every staff works their butt off to get their respective shows to be as great as possible. Some are just way more talented than others. Hence why BD is always at the top. Sure. And some get an idea in their heads and run with it, even if it's a bad idea. Phantom's design team had a bad idea. Maybe they tried their best to make it work, but I'm sure at some point in the planning process they probably thought of several ideas that would have worked way better. And by sticking to their guns for a bad concept, either they're flat out bad at what they do, or they didn't care to try anything else. Either way, this is a net failure of a design for a corps that would be pretty good with a show that worked. Edited July 26, 2015 by FuriousSoundbyte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Sure. And some get an idea in their heads and run with it, even if it's a bad idea. Phantom's design team had a bad idea. Maybe they tried their best to make it work, but I'm sure at some point in the planning process they probably thought of several ideas that would have worked way better. And by sticking to their guns for a bad concept, either they're flat out bad at what they do, or they didn't care to try anything else. Either way, this is a net failure of a design for a corps that would be pretty good with a show that worked. Whatever you say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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