Time to Say Goodbye, after 15 years

[cfirwin3]

Just now, JimF-LowBari said:

How do they live by their means as that was not covered as I read it.

BTW Bingo is a horrible way to expect to raise long term funding. One change of state/local laws or a big organization moving in with better payouts and the income goes down the toilet. Seen it in my area for many organizations 

You are living by your means when you have the cash to pay for your assets.  I don't know any organizations that are 'operating properly' that aren't living by their means.  This semantic argument is pretty thin.

Any legal way to raise money that is raising money is a great way to raise money.  Dealing with change is also a part of the grind.  None of this stuff that is being brought up is abnormal or a sign of organizational weakness.  It's just how it all works... it's life.

[JimF-LowBari]

9 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said:

You are living by your means when you have the cash to pay for your assets.  I don't know any organizations that are 'operating properly' that aren't living by their means.  This semantic argument is pretty thin.

Any legal way to raise money that is raising money is a great way to raise money.  Dealing with change is also a part of the grind.  None of this stuff that is being brought up is abnormal or a sign of organizational weakness.  It's just how it all works... it's life.

Well I’ll think about that operating properly within their means when the late season “we need cash now” emails come out. 

And my point about bingo was it is dangerous to depend too much on a funding source that could dry up quickly. But apparently a flippant “dealing with change” comment covers that.
 

Edited December 6, 2019 by JimF-LowBari

[cfirwin3]

Just now, JimF-LowBari said:

Well I’ll think about that operating properly within their means when the late season “we need cash now” emails come out. 
 

But that's all pretty normal too.  It's a not for profit that depends on that type of activity.  Most of that "we need cash now" stuff is merely an email blast supplementing various other solicitations (mostly to alumni and faithful donors).  Even those emails are calculated as a small part of a planned scheme to generate typical annual revenue.
 

I went to a private college... They are always "needing cash now".  They are perfectly solvent and merely relying on the type of fundraising activity that a private college relies on to get there.

[Jeff Ream]

1 hour ago, Fran Haring said:

Or essential, in a "keeping up with the Joneses" way?

or hinted at by the judging community

[JimF-LowBari]

10 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said:

But that's all pretty normal too.  It's a not for profit that depends on that type of activity.  Most of that "we need cash now" stuff is merely an email blast supplementing various other solicitations (mostly to alumni and faithful donors).  Even those emails are calculated as a small part of a planned scheme to generate typical annual revenue.
 

I went to a private college... They are always "needing cash now".  They are perfectly solvent and merely relying on the type of fundraising activity that a private college relies on to get there.

Depending on last minute cash solicitation is a normal part of business..

Just had some retirement training and part of it was financial planning. Learned too many people depending on income or cash sources that might not be there (like a family inheritance). Just sounds like expecting that last minute solicitation to also be there to bail corps out. Or are you saying when corps put out “we need $20k for unexpected bus bill NOW” they’re blowing smoke?

Edited December 6, 2019 by JimF-LowBari

[cfirwin3]

Just now, Jeff Ream said:

or hinted at by the judging community

It depends... on how it is actually being 'hinted at'

Merely recognizing the programming effect of an electronic element is not at all suggesting its necessity to score well any more than giving the same recognition to the treatment of a musical phrase is suggesting that playing a specific style or genre is necessary to score well.

Credit for something there doesn't mean that it must be there for credit.  Credit could be given for something completely different.

(this is where we start a brawl over the subjectivity of it all)

Perhaps it is being 'hinted at' in other ways?

[Jeff Ream]

4 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said:

It depends... on how it is actually being 'hinted at'

Merely recognizing the programming effect of an electronic element is not at all suggesting its necessity to score well any more than giving the same recognition to the treatment of a musical phrase is suggesting that playing a specific style or genre is necessary to score well.

Credit for something there doesn't mean that it must be there for credit.  Credit could be given for something completely different.

(this is where we start a brawl over the subjectivity of it all)

Perhaps it is being 'hinted at' in other ways?

oh there's lots of ways. comments....trying to be helpful in nature or not, especially "well maybe you could...." or "well if you...."

or even in score. it happens. 

[cfirwin3]

Just now, JimF-LowBari said:

Depending on last minute cash solicitation is a normal part of business and normal....

Just had some retirement training and part of it was financial planning. Learned too many people depending on income or cash sources that might not be there (like a family inheritance). Just sounds like expecting that last minute solicitation to also be there to bail corps out. Or are you saying when corps put out “we need $20k for unexpected bus bill” they’re blowing smoke?

We can't conflate paying for emergencies that extend beyond reserves with normal operation.  Nothing about that is normal.  Do you know of some corps that has abnormal emergencies... normally?

Normal email blasts are not for last minute cash.  They are a small part of solicitation beyond other fundraising schemes.

Haven't you ever watched PBS? 😀

[JimF-LowBari]

15 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said:

We can't conflate paying for emergencies that extend beyond reserves with normal operation.  Nothing about that is normal.  Do you know of some corps that has abnormal emergencies... normally?

Normal email blasts are not for last minute cash.  They are a small part of solicitation beyond other fundraising schemes.

Haven't you ever watched PBS? 😀

I was only talking about the end of season “we need cash now” emails so please don’t it sound like I was posting about normal donation requests, where I have never seen the phrase “we need cash now”. (Both my colleges know my address 😜)

Edited December 6, 2019 by JimF-LowBari

[cfirwin3]

21 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:

I was only talking about the end of season “we need cash now” emails so please don’t it sound like I was posting about normal donation requests, where I have never seen the phrase “we need cash now”. (Both my colleges know my address 😜)

But then we are conflating abnormalities with normalcy.  It's arguing an exception as the rule.  Having a surprise failure of a truck or an equipment storage fire and asking for help is not an example of living beyond of one's means.

I could put an addition on my house with a new patio and hot tub (well within my means)... and then have a 50 year weather event destroy it.  I'm not exemplifying living outside my means when insurance only gets me 70 percent whole.  I could also use heath scares as an example but that may hit close to home for some so I'll just offer the concept up generally.