onfiremedic Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 (edited) Pardon me Ladies and Gentlemen, I spelled hornline wrong. I spelled it horline and I will refrain to make a comment (even though we all could) Edited January 23, 2004 by onfiremedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiccups05 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 your able to edit your post....if you go to the upper right hand corner of yur post click edit...then fix horline and put an N in it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decompressed Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 One thing to consider folks...... Cavies are running their !@#$%^^ off and Phantom moves at quarter note = 80 most of the time.....a huge impact on the brass sound to be sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raphael18 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) ... Edited February 2, 2004 by raphael18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redraidertuba Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Why doesn't anyone just say the obvious? Phantom is playing with a more traditional sound, Cavaliers are trying to push the activity in a different direction. Part of the reason why many band directors and private instructors hate their students doing corps is because back in the day (actually not too long ago... as recently as the early 90s), drum corps brass philosophies were very often hurtful to developing students' playing habits. This has changed, but Phantom's sound, while fat and exciting, is still remeniscent of this era. They actually started out doing very well this past summer, and by Indy they had a gorgeous sound... but the last two weeks of the season I am told (by PR members) that most of the brass instruction towards the members was comments about simply playing louder and louder... to the point where Phantom fell in the rankings compared to other corps. And as someone has already hinted at... Judges are looking for consistency more than anything else... and not every player can blast as loud as the next guy... it's just not to be expected. And now that I know this... I'm sure that this is the same kind of instruction they get towards the end of every season. Cavaliers are obviously very conscious of the judging system, but they're also very conscious of where drum corps has been and where it is going. More and more, young high school band musicians are looking to drum corps to set the example, and the Cavaliers want to make sure that they are treating themselves as a responsible musical ensemble. It's like they want university trumpet professors to turn their heads and say "wow, what a gorgeous trumpet sound". I'll admit that when Phantom played Canon this past summer it sent chills up my spine, but what stunned me even more is when the Cavies played that one glorious chord at the end of their ballad in 2002, when all the percussion dropped out. That was the most perfect brass moment that I have ever heard on a football field, even more that Star 92 during the slower part of medea, or the Cadets at the end of Canterbury Corale in 1998. It was unbelievable. So what is my point? ... wait... (to self) what it my point? Oh yeah... my point is that this is simply the conflict of the old and the new... the traditional and the innovative... neither side is right if you look at it from a drum corps point of view... but if you look at it from a trained musician point of view then the Cavaliers are most certainly right, i don't care what your university professor tells you, because if he doesn't agree with that then he is just plain wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ContraRich77 Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Personally, I think they all suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raphael18 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 haha es ist mir egal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd5times Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 (edited) They actually started out doing very well this past summer, and by Indy they had a gorgeous sound... but the last two weeks of the season I am told (by PR members) that most of the brass instruction towards the members was comments about simply playing louder and louder... I marched in a drum corps that went through the same thing.....84 Blue Devils. It's not that the brass staff *wants* the corps to be louder. They're most likely being told by the judges that in order to be competitive with so-and-so...this is what you need to do that you're not doing and others are. For us in 84, it was Garfield was faster and louder. We cranked up the tempo of our opener, substantially, and spent the last portion of tour working on volume. I watched Phantom rehearse out in California this past summer and saw a couple of their shows. They had a gorgeous sound! Wasn't too powerful, but was a beautiful sound non the less. It's the same game Blue Devils play. Get the balance then work the decible. Blue Devils typically are not loud and powerful early in the season. What they are, though, is well balanced. Edited February 16, 2004 by bd5times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralTsoChicken Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 (edited) Why doesn't anyone just say the obvious? Phantom is playing with a more traditional sound, Cavaliers are trying to push the activity in a different direction. Part of the reason why many band directors and private instructors hate their students doing corps is because back in the day (actually not too long ago... as recently as the early 90s), drum corps brass philosophies were very often hurtful to developing students' playing habits. This has changed, but Phantom's sound, while fat and exciting, is still remeniscent of this era. They actually started out doing very well this past summer, and by Indy they had a gorgeous sound... but the last two weeks of the season I am told (by PR members) that most of the brass instruction towards the members was comments about simply playing louder and louder... to the point where Phantom fell in the rankings compared to other corps. And as someone has already hinted at... Judges are looking for consistency more than anything else... and not every player can blast as loud as the next guy... it's just not to be expected. And now that I know this... I'm sure that this is the same kind of instruction they get towards the end of every season. i don't know where you are getting your information... but this is not true. the last part of the season definitely was not spent getting the members to play "louder and louder" and i would be curious as to who these "pr members" are. Edited February 16, 2004 by GeneralTsoChicken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robot Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 All that I am gonna say is that I think the majority of the hornlines that are taking the field these days all have exceptional tone quality for the style that they are going for. I think everyone should consider what the corps are going for. for example when you have a hornline that was made up like PR's was is sure to have a very dark chocolate like sound. But as it was said before any hornline can play soft but what happens when they play above a double forte is what counts. Now I feel the only hornlines that can control the best are the Blue Devils and Cadets. But this is just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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