BeachDrums Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 (edited) However, even though said above opinion may not like the shows of today, it's still just as valid as any other one that does.Just as the kids who march today have opinions across the board about things like amps, "evolution" and what key we play in, so do we...and as long as these views are respectively presented (on either side), both carry weight. EXACTLY! Too bad some from BOTH sides can be so scarcastically nasty! Some people think their opinion is more valid and legitimate than others. One doesn't have to read long to find out who those people are. Good post, Bawker! Edited February 22, 2006 by HISop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I taught SCV 91, and co-wrote the percussion book. I don't remember even knowing who Beyer was at the time. What ideas were borrowed? I'm probably wrong, then. Though, it's remarkable how similar they are to each other. Opening and closing drill, sound effects for the helicopter, placement of the music pieces...just remarkably similar, I guess. Sorry if I'm just way off here. That's what I get for talking before making sure I'm right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancerlady Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 (edited) As a professional singer who's been in drum corps, I don't think it's a question of whether they SHOULD teach it.. it's a question of whether they COULD.. and they could -- quite easily.The technique for proper vocal performance is basically the same as the technique for proper brass performance. The apparatus used - same. The connection to the resonators - same. The placement of the sound - same. The opening of the throat - same. All the techniques taught to a great brassline are the same techniques taught by great vocal coaches... so you could have your brass staff (most of whom are actual teachers and have to be able to coach voice as part of their own training) coach vocal performers. Here's the other thing.. Unless they are bringing in a "vocal line" -- meaning all those kids are gonna do is sing.. for the entire show.. and they need a full time coach.. why on earth would you need a full time vocal coach? A consultant? perhaps. Someone to come in the beginning to lay the ground work and return periodically to make sure the techniques and vocal health are being carefully observed -- but beyond that, you'd be paying somebody to sit around most of the time.. because once you get into ensemble.. the brass guys are usually running the music portion of the show anyway. In general, you're not talking about them taking a kid from nowhere who's never played or sung a note of music in their lives.. you're talking about kids who are musicians first.. they understand the fundamentals of what they're doing.. teaching them to sing with good technique will not be difficult and would (and SHOULD) not require a specific vocal coach full time. Based on what I know of both instruments and the instruction thereof, that's what I think. Stef Great post! This is exactly what I was trying to get at when I made my comment on the first few pages about the the techniques involved and why would you need a vocal coach when you have that with an experienced brass teacher. Any experienced music education major/educator knows that these techniques are taught so that you can teach both aspects of that if need be. We were taught to sing to help us with our breathing and playing skills when I marched, and I think that definately helped my tone quality..anyway..just wanted to comment on this post. Thank you for elaborating on and stating what I didn't really know how to relate what I was saying (with this crowd) in such a great way. Edited February 22, 2006 by Lancerlady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I think they should use the same staff...same staff as in brass staff teaching vocals.That's what I mean as far as the "cheating" comment. Most have experience in that area anyway...When I marched btw..they began teaching us singing so we could learn to "sing through our horns.. hear our pitches etc.."..so I know Staff is trained in this area most music majors are anyway.I would hope that vocal solos don't become the norm but it looks like that's the way it's going...and it's getting ridiculous..to me. Why would they use the brass staff for vocal training? There are techs these days for just about everything...snare, bass, tenor, cymbal, pit, etc....why is it cheating to use a voice specialist to teach voice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I asked that same question a few posts back and am still waiting for an answer... Steph, Why not Email DCI and see if they can/will tell you the answer to your good question....and then make sure you tell the rest of us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 while for the most part i disagree with G on this one, you are right in that the fans opinions count for #### Of course...the fans who voted for the classics ended up selecting Crown 04 and Coats 05...guess maybe their overall opinions differ from yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rut-roh Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I'm probably wrong, then. Though, it's remarkable how similar they are to each other. Opening and closing drill, sound effects for the helicopter, placement of the music pieces...just remarkably similar, I guess. Sorry if I'm just way off here. That's what I get for talking before making sure I'm right. I'd be interested in learning more about this too. Could it possibly be that the most heralded use of creativity in the drum corps universe (1991 SCV's helicopters) may have, just may have been a copied/stolen concept from a (gasp) marching band??? I really don't know. I'd be interested to know more, either way. I love that show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I'm sorry, bawk, but I just can't eat a pizza that 1) has arms and legs, and 2) serves itself to me . . .. . . unless it's REALLY yummy and has sausage. Oh, so you only like male pizza? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hey Tubaman, no matter how cool you think you are, no matter how much you tow the (present day) company line, no matter how cutting edge you think you are........one day you too will be "old school" !!Enjoy what you love, one day it will be all gone !! ~G~ Well, I'm even older school than you...yet I love DCI drum corps of today. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 That's what you have been brainwashed into thinking. But, you should check out a corps like the Bucs. If you do, you will see that they are going for anything hut "old school". These are the misconceptions about DCA that SOMEHOW need to be removed. Agree on that one...Bucs and Bush both had VERY modern shows last season...as did the Sunrisers. They did not quite have the horses numerically to pull it off, but it was a VERY modern show in design...and fun to watch. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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