kusankusho Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 (edited) I love this idea. A total recap shows up on the big screen BEFORE the next corps starts up. That way everybody knows the numbers. The technology is there for each judge to enter his numbers into a wireless device right now and let a master system tally it up. I love the announcement of scores at prelims when my corps comes off the field so I know immediately how it went. I hate it before we go on because I don't want the kids to focus on what some other corps did. Edited August 5, 2006 by kusankusho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby5647 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 So, how many drumlines have demonstrated excellence? One? Cadets 87 Star 93 Cavaliers 95 and possibly Phantom 06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekneek Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Cadets 87Star 93 Cavaliers 95 and possibly Phantom 06 Ok. I am prepared to eat it a little bit, because I can agree that those lines were/are tremendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellio Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 Remember what I said about stagnation a month ago?Everyone wants change, as long as that change doesn't come at the expense of their favourite corps. That's not it! You don't think there's stagnation just because Phantom has moved up? Remember, they were the 3rd place corps last year! That's the problem - I think there is WAY TOO MUCH stagnation in drum corps! Just watch - Phantom will be less than a point from Cavies from now through finals. Should they be? Who knows, but if they are indeed that close, then they should top them at least once. Even the Cavies can't perform at the same high standard every night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellio Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 Right, and that's what I'm trying to say: there's no understading to be had...so just sit back and enjoy! That's the problem - there should be! If Phantom and Cavies are within a point of one another, there should be concrete reasons why they are that close. Obviously, if you judge something there has to be criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellio Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 A perfect score is not perfection. My brass captionhead read out to us what it meant last season. You must demonstrate excellence, it has nothing to do with being perfect, nobody is perfect. Well it should be a reflection of being perfect. Just like the Cavies guard getting a perfect score in 2002 with drops. If you have one drop, you shouldn't get a perfect score. Period! The judging system in this activity makes absolutely no sense...and that's my problem. I do think the judges get placments right, but ####, I could watch finals and get the placements right too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellio Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 Re: Cadets and Glassmen both earning a 17.5 in Ens Vis on consecutive nights: I was at the Lawrence show and commented to a friend, "Now I know why Spirit is closing in on the Glassmen." They were surprisingly dirty, especially visually, for August 2nd. There is no way I can fathom them receiving the same score as Cadets. I haven't seen Cadets in person since 7/3, but I've seen them on Season's Pass, so I saw enough to convince me that Glasssmen are not in the same ball park. I guess last night's judge agreed--with the 1.2 margin. I think some posters are letting their personal opinions of Hopkins bleed into this discussion. Exactly. So, I want to know why a judge gave those two scores on back to back nights. It just doesn't make sense. Isn't ensemble performance "execution" driven? Maybe I just don't know anything :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellio Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 [People were up in arms over the 1988 format, but it work, and IMO it should be standard today. The judges in semis and finals HAD TO give the right numbers because they didn't know what the other panel was going to do and it could have turned the activity upside down if say we won Semis and landed in 5th in finals. I have been saying the same thing for years. I have been writing for DCW for over 20 years, and have experience in marching, teaching and judging. I would love to see them not only use the same format, as 1988, but I would also like to have them have two full sets of judges for regionals and finals. You could have them average the scores but you would still see the differences between the judges. I also think the scores should be entered by the judges on a computer and have the scores announced before the next corps appears. Mike Exactly, it would have completely discredited the judging community in 1988 if the scores from Semis and Finals were drastically different. Now, the judges merely know the numbers a given corps has been getting and seem to give those corps those numbers. Frankly, this discussion has discredited the judging community, in my eyes, of actually being capable of providing accurate numbers, based on criteria, on any given night. Again, I think they get the placements right, but so could most of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekneek Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I am going to do some analysis to see if the movement in score from semifinals to finals was much more in 1988 than usual. Regardless of placement changes, the scores SEEM to have moved much more than they usually do just by glancing at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12L Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 ...if the scores are wrong this year, then they were probably wrong last year too. I wonder if Mr. Hopkins is ready to admit that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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