Mr. Bill Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Ok so you're dodging the point.It's not about amplifying beach noises so you can heard the ocean. I'm talking about using sounds and synthesis techniques that are not possible to be created with acoustic instruments. It's not about making what we already can do "easier" or "lazier" by using a sampled recording, it's about doing things that can only be done through a different medium. I am not so convinced that some of those things cannot be reproduced accoustically...Heck, put Michael Winslow on the field with a cardboard megaphone...find a way if that "noise" is so gosh-darn important to the production. When Picasso found another way to do things, he still used paint and canvas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corps fan Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 it's kinda like the idea of not including people pushing props around as part of the membership number....if you need to do something like that, you're either thinking too hard, or just flat out don't do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistofflies Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 But why? Hmmm...good point. Hey while we're at it let's go back to symmetrical drill, marking time in place for god-knows-how-long, rotary valve bugles, unison flag work, and the tick system. I mean, why change? If it was good enough back then it's good enough now, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein On The Beach Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Hmmm...good point.Hey while we're at it let's go back to symmetrical drill, marking time in place for god-knows-how-long, rotary valve bugles, unison flag work, and the tick system. I mean, why change? If it was good enough back then it's good enough now, right? Don't forget little if not any defined visual technique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafalot Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Right because none of these things are creative:Temple bell mixed with breathy vocals. Active sound morphing over a drum loop. Trombone samples played on a Continuum keyboard. Another Continuum keyboard example, this time with a Kalimba. Continuum using violin samples. Video of using Kyma with a stylus. Video of a Continuum in use. NO ONLY ACOUSTIC INSTRUMENTS ALLOW REAL CREATIVITY!!!!!! Wrong. these are creative. They're not music, but creative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistofflies Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I am not so convinced that some of those things cannot be reproduced accoustically...Heck, put Michael Winslow on the field with a cardboard megaphone...find a way if that "noise" is so gosh-darn important to the production.When Picasso found another way to do things, he still used paint and canvas... A lot of that "noise" is just simple examples of some of the power that these real-time software editing suites and electronic instruments possess. There are limitless ways they can be combined to produce just about any effect that the human mind can imagine (and probably many that it cannot). A lot of it is experimental at the moment and not ready for practical application, but it one day will be. And just because it involves using electronics and voltage-controlled oscillators makes it less credible than any other way of making music? If you're so ####### determined to live in the stone age why don't you move to Pennsylvania? I hear they have some great communities up there where they have NO electricity and you do everything manually.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistofflies Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Wrong. these are creative.They're not music, but creative. Oh um...they're not? #### I better let John Cage and Catherine Berberian know that their careers are ruined. Hey where did you find the definition of music by the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein On The Beach Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Wrong. these are creative.They're not music, but creative. How are the links he posted not music? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafalot Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 There's a difference between music and just plain noises. Often left to individual interpretation, I'll admit. But, in my opinion, noise is not music. And, it should not be included by dragging a bunch of computers and amps and keyboards onto a drum corps marching field. I'm a keyboard player, by the way.....but I can separate my love for keyboards and my love for drum corps into two different places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bill Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Hey while we're at it let's go back to symmetrical drill, marking time in place for god-knows-how-long, rotary valve bugles, unison flag work, and the tick system. I mean, why change? If it was good enough back then it's good enough now, right? Asymmetrical drill still used people on a field to "draw" pictures...still paint and canvas Marking time versus more movement did not change the numbers on the field or anything...just increased the demand on the individuals Rotary valved, piston valved, g, Bb...all still brass instruments and percussion instruments...accoustic Unison flag versus differentiated...still just flags...paint and canvas Tick system versus objective criterion...still just looking at and listeneing to the performance and assigning a number based upon what is seen and heard. Amplified and sampled sounds...not accoustic, not brass and percussion...no longer paint and canvas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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