audiodb Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Yes, and excluding half your core audience from participating is great marketing awareness. Many of DCI's core audience are "excluded"....by the age rule. Care to comment? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 The bball/fball comparison is not valid. Those are unique activities. Drum corps is band without woodwinds, or vice versa. Only difference is instrumentation and practice time. If that were true, then bands would approach brass playing (dynamics, balance) in exactly the same manner as drum corps. (In case you really don't know....they don't.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Many of DCI's core audience are "excluded"....by the age rule. Care to comment? Here's a porcupine wearing a flower on its head. Your argument in invalid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Well, I know you're being a little facetious but adding woodwinds to an existing organization is way less expensive than starting a new organization. Adding WW to DCI would be way cheaper for the corps (if any) that want that....and way more expensive for the corps who don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowtron Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Many of DCI's core audience are "excluded"....by the age rule. Care to comment? They have real jobs and would clog up openings for new performers. Look the core principles are staying the same - young people, marching arts, some sort of summer tour, high level of performance, creative and effective show design...instrumentation is not a fundamental change to me, it's an obvious easy fix to expand membership base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 When are you saying the decline started? the recent one? 2006. but DCI had been losing fans on a steady basis really picking up in the mid 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Who honestly cares about I&E except for a few days in August? The bball/fball comparison is not valid. Those are unique activities. Drum corps is band without woodwinds, or vice versa. Only difference is instrumentation and practice time. but...DCI offered it for those poor downtrodden woodwinds players so discriminated against having to play brass or percussion or guard the rest of the summer. Remember...that idea was thrown out there to help sell the idea woodwinds were needed in DCI. See, when you see the same tired justification used for every idea ( and don;t see research and results) you kinda get used to it. Used car salesmen can do a better job of #### people Edited June 28, 2012 by Geoff unintentional filter circumvention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 How could High School woodwind players possibly be considered DCI's "core audience"???? That makes exactly zero sense. And I WAS a high school WW player (who learned a brass instrument to march corps). The core audience of DCI would be thus: 1. Former Marching Members (with jobs and disposable income) 2. Family members of Current/Former Marching Members 3. People who were somehow otherwise introduced to the medium 4. Current High School Students and...isn't drum corps about education? And isn't DCI trying to attract all those music majors?? And if you are a music major what do you have to do? Oh wait...learn how to play other instruments! Imagine that. Hey, I'm a percussionist, but I wanted to be in a brass group in HS. They didn't allow percussion. So what did I do? For a semester I tried to learn how to play a baritone. Now, for the worlds sanity, I realized quickly i sucked and stopped, but...I was learning and growing as a musician. So poor Susie flute player can learn to play another instrument like I did and learn something! Imagine that! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 As Jeff suggested, if George Hopkins wants to start a Top Tier Marching Band Circuit then he should do so. If the advantages of adding woodwinds are so obvious, then it's a no brainer to either break the Cadets free from DCI and add woodwinds or to start a new group under the YEA umbrella. Surely if anyone can do it, it's YEA. Just tack it onto USBands as a summer circuit. I'm completely serious. If woodwinds will bring in money, then a competing circuit is the right way to go about the experiment you propose. Unless you are proposing increasing corps size to 200 or something, then no more money is going to flow into DCI. There are hundreds of kids who get cut from top-8 corps and they don't stay in the activity, they move on. Add woodwinds and you'll just increase the number of brass players who get cut. If you *are* saying you want to increase corps size to 180 or 200+ to accomodate woodwinds, then you just add problems in terms of finding housing, renting more busses adding significantly more staff... you aren't going to end up making more money. he's so certain woodwinds will add bodies, he started a DCA corps! oh wait....woodwinds not allowed there either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Where do 1 and 2 come from? HS music programs. And around half are excluded. so given your penchant for people being excluded, I guess you want madison and Cavies to go co-ed too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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