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About weedyweidenthal

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    Spirit from JSU 2007; Madison Scouts 2008; Madison Scouts 2009
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    Madison Scouts
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    1999 Madison Scouts
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  1. If people are suggesting that Dann and Chris are liars and they didn't do it, then that's just another ridiculous statement to make with no knowledge of facts. In addition to official polling conducted by the corps, in October of 2017 Chad Hanes (better known as Chadwick Michael these days), an alumnus from 2007-2008, conducted polls. He gathered email addresses from every member that was on Corps Data (which is almost 100% of members since 2009 or so since it was required for us to use the site as members and a significant amount of older alums since it's constantly encouraged to update your info on the site) and sent polls. I was harshly critical of the manner in which Chad conducted the polls in part because it looked like official communication from the drum corps. I think it was about 130 members that responded from the 2017 edition of the corps with 90% in favor of going co-ed. The further back in the membership you went, the lower the participation rate and the lower the percentage of alums voting in favor of going co-ed. Around that time the Scouts were drafting an announcement that they were allowing transgender members and Chad released an article that was critical of the organization for discrimination. I talked with Steve Powers on 10/26/17 and he informed me that they were pushing up the announcement of allowing transgender members and I expressed that I would hope that the announcement wouldn't look like it was conceding to an alumnus that had gone rogue and attempted to put a stranglehold on the corps. That same day I talked with Kent Eversmeyer (1981-1984?) and he informed me that a vote was impending on whether or not to go co-ed and that current members had polled in favor of allowing women into the corps.
  2. The members don’t matter? It’s THEIR drum corps and they asked for it.
  3. It really doesn't matter if you say it 1 time or 100 times, you can still be wrong. The show design in recent years was below par. Most of us seem to agree on that. It held them back competitively. However, the statement you're making is not related to the competitiveness of the corps. You clearly don't know the leadership team if you make this statement. In fact, the issue of going co-ed goes back AT LEAST to my years in the corps in 2008-2011 and I would imagine it went back further considering that 2005 featured a female soloist... and so did 1971 with a few other female performers sprinkled in for exhibitions or parades between those years.
  4. I did not participate in Greek life, but I am a member of the freemasons... an organization that does discriminate against women. What you are suggesting is that some forms of discrimination are ok. I agree with that statement, but where the disconnect exists here is with the discomfort of the word "discrimination." Just like any aspect of any decision in life, you should weigh pros and cons and make a decision. In this particular instance, the issue of discrimination against women was weighed on many levels. One of the ways it was evaluated was among the directors and another was with the members themselves who felt like women should be included in the drum corps. This is the current member's drum corps of which they should take ownership. My time is past, just like most of the people commenting on this. The current members and the current directors came to a conclusion that discrimination based on gender wasn't acceptable for them.
  5. Yes, I would say that making the claim that the Scouts were looking to put a female drum major in place to make a statement is a terrible thing to say when you consider that it discredits the abilities of those young women to effectively do their job within the corps. Yes, I'm defensive about these kids because I want to see them have a positive experience and walk out of this as better people for having done so and your posts are detrimental to that cause. You also clearly don't know what Dann is all about and the importance that he places on having a positive impact on these young adults. No, I'm not at all offended. I'm disappointed that someone could be so adamantly wrong about something and not realize the negative consequences of your words.
  6. I don’t think anybody involved in the organization is pleased with the competitive results, but that is a different discussion (that is certainly worth having) from what is being spouted here.
  7. Nah, you’re dead wrong but you don’t want to actually get facts and discover that to be true. You want to hide behind a screen name speculating about a youth activity and make statements like this that are detrimental to the organization because you enjoy the controversy... otherwise, you would seek first hand information. What a pathetic way to live.
  8. For what it's worth, I was in favor of the corps staying all-male. I'm still coming around to the idea of a co-ed Madison Scouts. However, I also know Chris and Dann pretty well and the lengths that some people are going to to accuse them of various acts is ridiculous. It's really easy to send either one of them an e-mail and get answers to your questions.
  9. Simply being included in a group of people that misinterpreted a message doesn't make the interpretation correct or accurate. The wording also could be in part due to the fact that the Scouts were accused of discrimination by an alumnus who wrote an article that got a lot of attention right around the same time that this process started. Is it not possible that after being accused, that the directors would go through a process of self evaluation and think "You know... I never thought about this but we ARE being discriminatory and I'm not comfortable with that being part of the legacy of this drum corps any longer." Better yet, why not just ask Chris or Dann how they feel personally about it and if the Madison Scouts have a stance on the issue? I guess actually seeking information isn't as much fun as accusing people of acting in bad faith.
  10. It couldn't be more obvious that you know next to nothing about the inner workings of the Madison Scouts and the directors from this statement. Perception is reality I suppose. It's sad that so many people like yourself would rather advance falsehoods than actually take the time to get real information.
  11. By definition, the all male policy was discrimination. The Madison Scouts saying “We aren’t comfortable with this policy any longer” does not equal then saying “The Cavaliers are in the wrong for not having the same beliefs as us.” That’s inferring something that has never been stated. No one is out there trying to force their beliefs on someone else. They’re simply stating why they made the decision they did.
  12. That’s quite the leap. The quote you chose came from an alumnus that has no current position within the corps and even it doesn’t reference cavaliers. It’s simply one person stating an opinion that the tradition carried on longer than necessary. One could surmise that the leadership felt that was the case simply by the fact that they changed the policy. Then the author of the article states that according to Dann, the Cavaliers are an all male drum corps... which is true. If the author asks “Are there any all male drum corps left in DCI?” do you expect him to give a different answer? Also, I had decided to click your profile earlier in the day when I was curious why you had responded quickly before and were then unable to do so when pressed. You were active 4 hours before my previous reply so definitely not your first time on DCP all day.
  13. Based off the facts that after looking for a single example of your claim and your inability to provide a link to an example, it appears to be a fair assumption that your comments are inflammatory and unjust. So it begs to question, what do you have to gain by making up drama about summer marching band...? Real weird way to spend your life dude.
  14. Could you point me to one? If someone within the organization was actually throwing shade at the Cavaliers, that would be troubling to me.