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They'll probably just do the show tonight and learn the closer tomorrow since they don't have a show tomorrow night.

You could be right but the Fred Sanford era was before my time so I wouldn't know. And since Ralph taught under Fred, you probably are right.

It's from when Ralph Hardimon was there back in the day. When the line marches from warmup to the gate, for example, they Jonz' it up! (march by 2's) I guess it was a nickname acknowledging the attitude or vibe the SCV lines are known for having, and it sort of stuck. Now, I guess they use it as a marketing tool as well. B)

It's the copperfire sparkle laquer.

Yeah, I guess you're right. They could've put something more from the '07 show than the little snippets they put in. At least you can see the new drums in action...briefly.

Check out the multimedia section for the latest preview of SCV '07. Pretty cool http://www.scvanguard.org/vanguard/

SCV gets new drums every year. Any pic you may have seen before the Memorial Day camp would've been last year's drums.

Agreed.

SCV has some sweet looking sparkle-type drums. Looks great with the uni's.

Can't wait to see old friends and watch some lines in the lot.

I hear you. And I agree that tenor and bass lines back then played some stuff but the split up patterns for both tenors and basses of today blow the old days away. Hands down. As for cyms, well I agree that one cymbal line has been progressive over the years but the others are glorified ride cymbals from what I've seen. Cool visuals and all but lacking real musicianship. I certainly agree that most of the lines of today don't play the type of difficult rudimental books of yesteryear, which is sad, but playing a meaty book standing still at an elbow touching interval for an entire drum feature doesn't really compare to a line that still plays some seriously intricate and in time beats while sprinting across the field in some ridiculous intervals and formations. Try cleaning that up consistently. It's not easy. Plus, if you put a metronome in front of any line prior to '90, they'd fall apart. Before Star started using the met (seemed obnoxious in the lot at the time) in '90, noone used them. Parts would push and pull depending on how hard the beats were. That was consistent throughout every line. Nowadays, the lines are held accountable to the met. Fortunately for me, I marched before the met usage was standard. B) Anyway, I appreciate both eras for what they bring/brought to the activity. I just prefer how the lines have progressed in some ways other than meaty books. So, if I were to pick a pre '90 line, it would have to be Garfield '87. They drummed and marched great. Post '90 would be SCV '92.

Ok.Ok. I can appreciate that statement. You'll still never sell me on Star '93 though. I guess we'll just agree to disagree on that one. :)

Wutchoo talkin' bout Willis?? To think Star '93 is the best ever is cool. That's your deal. I don't agree with it but it's cool. But to suggest that SCV '04 was an "easy" book is a pretty bold statement.

However much I may respect the lines from the 70's and 80's, which is a lot (I grew up watching them), there's no way I would consider any of them to be the best of "all time" simply due to the fact that the tenor, bass, and cymbal sections didn't do much other than accompany the snare line back then. When people refer to 1 & 2 tick shows, it's usually related to the snares' performance. It wasn't until the mid 80's (BD especially), when tenor and bass lines started to play some serious beats. And today, the demand from each section is enormous. Please don't turn this into a new school vs. old school thread because it's not my intent. I'm merely stating my reasoning behind my pick of SCV '92 due to their superiority in all sections across the board. I'm sure another line will come along someday that will contribute to the activity as much as they did, but I haven't seen it yet. Maybe somebody will step up this year? That would be cool. My $.02

I'd have to say SCV '91 - '92. Pi$$ clean both seasons but especially '92 (too bad the show lacked judge appeal). Also, I don't think any other line yielded as many great players / arrangers / techs that are teaching across the country today: Murray Gusseck - obvious Jim Cassella - obvious Mike Apodaca(sp?) - currently Colts Tenor Tech Jeff Queen - obvious Walter Powell - SCV snare tech Jon Weber - Michigan State Caption Head Colin McNutt - Cadets' goto guy when Aungst isn't there Vince Gardner - Scouts bass tech Nick Angelis - obvious I'm sure there's more... It's the line that keeps on giving it up!

As far as concept goes, my fav is Suncoast Sound '88. Otherwise, SCV '98 would do it for me.

None of them.

'89 Suncoast Sound!!! That corps started with about a 45.something and broke the 90's at Finals. They lost to the Ventures (who didn't even have a battery on the field) in drums at their first show and ended up getting 10th (I think) in drums at Finals. Horn line was LOUD for its size and the guard was awesome. The little corps that could...indeed.

My favorites are: 1. '89 - Killer book and smokin' drumline. Got robbed. One of my all time favorites. 2. '87 - Obvious 3. '00 - Just happened to dig them that year.

In the early season of '90(winter camps), SCV played it the original way. It was then changed to 5's to make it easier to clean once everybody joined in. The snare solo/duet ending had evolved from year to year as well. I believe the tenor break before the 'Sting' section changed a bit each year also. Either way, I doubt you'll be able to find a recording of the original version that's in PL Etudes. Good luck though!

Nope. Just know somebody.

I know that some corps will try anything to make ends meet. Suncoast Sound used to have the members go on street corners, in those hot wool cadet uniforms, and hold their shakos (sp?) out for money. They got the idea from a local fire department. Obviously, it didn't make up for the apparent financial mess they were in but it helped.

It just landed that way. There were 3 vets in the snare line until February but one guy left for personal reasons. He will be missed. Otherwise, conditions haven't changed from last season.

Great story.

Yes, MJ's style is different than the previous styles but it is actually more relaxed than the others' mentioned. This video is not a good representation of it because the taps are supposed to be at mp therefore not needing any arm movement not to mention that it's clipping along. I think eventually, you'll see that the technique is very much free and relaxed. Arm motion is only used as needed but definitely encouraged. So, just hang tight. Oh and btw, both of the snare techs marched either with or under all the names mentioned previously so the SCV tradition is definitely alive and well. Either way, it'll be fun to see how they turn out.