"The Cadets" 2007 DCI World Champions

[chaddyt]

It is very obvious that most on this forum do not like the Cavaliers and will do or say just about anything to have them lose.

I'm not sure you and I are reading the same forum.

[jwillis35]

During your somersaults, I'll propose this question - both to respond to your post and to hopefully bring this thread back to topic:

Aside from your oversimplification of the Cavaliers' brass book, I am glad that you recognize the color of sound that the Cavaliers produce. I'm not sure why you refer to them as almighty, though. My question is this: should groups that perform a seemingly "more difficult" book with inconsistant, improper tone be rewarded to a higher degree than those groups who perform a seemingly "less difficult" book with consistant, characteristic tone?

Your question is slanted. You assume in the question that the Cadets brass technique is wrong. You say its "inconsistent" and "improper." In order for your question to have more validity you need to not assume this and open the question to the opinions of all others.

Is it really bad tone, improper and inconsistent? I think you are full of it to make that claim. I think they sound wonderful. There is not just one way to approach tone, technique, and volume on a brass instrument, and I can assure you that their warm ups use as much Emory Remington philosophy and tone/technique application as the next corps. The Chicago Orchestra brass section played vastly different from that of the Cleveland Orchestra or the New York Philharmonic, especially the sections in the 70s/80s. Chicago often used more edge, more brilliance to the sound. The Cleveland sound was vastly different, but no less musical. And NY with Smith and Alessi going at it can really wail when they need to and they know how to apply the edge. These are amazing musicians.

Yes, there is such a thing as bad technique and tonal production, but I fail to hear that from Cadets or others who do not follow the Cavaliers "way." How is it that the Cadets can play so accurately, with such precision, and how can they taper the dynamics so quickly while maintaining such a good blend? The reason is that they are trained well, and, of course, they have good musicians. Professional musicians can really put some zip through the horn when they need to. It's not wrong, nor is it bad tone production. It all depends on the training and the musician's ability to control the instrument at all levels.

The Cavaliers approach is unique and wonderful, and I love it, but it's not the only way, and your obvious dislike for the Cadets style is fine, but the way you knock them down in order to justify your "preferred" method is not professional and it only shows a lack of knowledge about brass pedagogy. Was Dizzy Gillespie's brass technique perfect, or how about Maynard Ferguson, or maybe John fedchock, or Bill Watrous and J.J. Johnson? You're living in a world where one size fits all, and only one method meets your satisfaction. I guess if this is what you want, then fine, but when you start crying because some corps actually beat your Cavaliers in brass, and when you have to resort to put downs in order to justify your point, then I have a problem, and I am somewhat curious about your knowledge of brass playing.

In the end, the judges DCI has are incredibly good. These are the same judges that gave the Cavaliers the brass title last year and in 2002, so why were they right then and now they are wrong?

JW

[4MalletJim]

not quite 98....

Captions split....like last year.

I could roll with a 97.775.

[Fincis]

Your question is slanted. You assume in the question that the Cadets brass technique is wrong. You say its "inconsistent" and "improper." In order for your question to have more validity you need to not assume this and open the question to the opinions of all others.

Is it really bad tone, improper and inconsistent? I think you are full of it to make that claim. I think they sound wonderful. There is not just one way to approach tone, technique, and volume on a brass instrument, and I can assure you that their warm ups use as much Emory Remington philosophy and tone/technique application as the next corps. The Chicago Orchestra brass section played vastly different from that of the Cleveland Orchestra or the New York Philharmonic, especially the sections in the 70s/80s. Chicago often used more edge, more brilliance to the sound. The Cleveland sound was vastly different, but no less musical. And NY with Smith and Alessi going at it can really wail when they need to and they know how to apply the edge. These are amazing musicians.

Yes, there is such a thing as bad technique and tonal production, but I fail to hear that from Cadets or others who do not follow the Cavaliers "way." How is it that the Cadets can play so accurately, with such precision, and how can they taper the dynamics so quickly while maintaining such a good blend? The reason is that they are trained well, and, of course, they have good musicians. Professional musicians can really put some zip through the horn when they need to. It's not wrong, nor is it bad tone production. It all depends on the training and the musician's ability to control the instrument at all levels.

The Cavaliers approach is unique and wonderful, and I love it, but it's not the only way, and your obvious dislike for the Cadets style is fine, but the way you knock them down in order to justify your "preferred" method is not professional and it only shows a lack of knowledge about brass pedagogy. Was Dizzy Gillespie's brass technique perfect, or how about Maynard Ferguson, or maybe John fedchock, or Bill Watrous and J.J. Johnson? You're living in a world where one size fits all, and only one method meets your satisfaction. I guess if this is what you want, then fine, but when you start crying because some corps actually beat your Cavaliers in brass, and when you have to resort to put downs in order to justify your point, then I have a problem, and I am somewhat curious about your knowledge of brass playing.

In the end, the judges DCI has are incredibly good. These are the same judges that gave the Cavaliers the brass title last year and in 2002, so why were they right then and now they are wrong?

JW

Great post man. ^OO^

[Sexyguardcap]

You know, you should write for a living. Maybe you could do a piece on raising children to the age of about 12 then eating them. Lace it with sarcasm. Call it, "A Modest Proposal," or something seemingly innocuous.

Thanks for trying.

I laughed so hard, I almost wet myself!

[JamesBari]

i didnt want to beleive it at first, but i think theres a chance we could have a different winner every night.

[2000Cadet]

i didnt want to beleive it at first, but i think theres a chance we could have a different winner every night.

You're right about that. I wouldn't be surprized if BD took it tonight. Seems like this is the season for different winners every night.

[Legalhack]

You know, you should write for a living. Maybe you could do a piece on raising children to the age of about 12 then eating them. Lace it with sarcasm. Call it, "A Modest Proposal," or something seemingly innocuous.

Thanks for trying.

We already have one dismal science. No need for it to compete with pagentry commentary.

[somerville]

I definitely think the Cadets will be winning. I would bet on it if I was a betting man.

[UP_Front1201]

1. TIE BD and Cadets

3. Bluecoats

4. Cavies

5. Phantom

6. SCV